As said above, we already know the clock is lower. Performance isn't necessarily IPC or clock. It could be the memory controller is much better, or the cache is faster, or the dispatcher is better. Regardless of where the real world gains come from, all that matters is it's there.
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AMD Launches Three Kaveri APU SKUs in February 2014 – Feature Set For A10 and A8 APUs Detailed
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As said above, we already know the clock is lower. Performance isn't necessarily IPC or clock. It could be the memory controller is much better, or the cache is faster, or the dispatcher is better. Regardless of where the real world gains come from, all that matters is it's there.
Yup, I'm putting together a Micro ATX Steambox and HTPC system. When Kaveri's out hopefully it'll have enough grunt to run games at 1080p
That'll be a nice build. In terms of bang for buck though, An intel Pentium or maybe an i3 plus that OCUK HD 7850 2GB For £90 would be a better all round system. Wouldn't fit so snuggly in a Micro ATX case though
That'll be a nice build. In terms of bang for buck though, An intel Pentium or maybe an i3 plus that OCUK HD 7850 2GB For £90 would be a better all round system. Wouldn't fit so snuggly in a Micro ATX case though
An i3 isn't going to match Kaveri
I've already a 6800K though in the meantime.
We have a 5800K / 8GB / SSD system here, ideal for a budget setup. Thing is as i3 prices come down they are a viable alternative. If Kaveri comes in at the same price point as 5800K/6800K it would be the better option..
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If the IPC is up by 20% on Kaveri over Richland then IMO the i3 is out at a similar price.
You would be able to get the same single core performance at something like 4.4Ghz and have twice as many cores.
You would be able to get the same single core performance at something like 4.4Ghz and have twice as many cores.
The 4 cores of Piledriver APUs make them more attractive than a Pentium/i3 in my view, especially as for now I won't be using a discrete GPU. Although it'll be an HTPC it will also be used for gaming with Steam, and I'm hoping Kaveri will do a good job there.
Those Pentium / i3's shouldn't be underestimated. If you look at the Intel Core i3-3250 for example, it beats the 6800K by about 25% single threaded, and even though it physically only has 2 cores with HF it's still able to keep up in multithreaded progs vs the 6800k http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/441/AMD_A10-Series_A10-6800K_vs_Intel_Core_i3_i3-3250.html. The Haswell Pentium / i3's are even faster.
My boys PC has Intel Pentium G2120 (Ivybridge) and a HD 7950 3GB. It has no problems playing all the latest games at decent settings. Impressive for the low cost of the chip.
If the upcoming Kaveri can match i3 level IPC and have 4 cores, it will be very impressive. I'll be building a few rigs with Kaveri. I hope it's decent.
My boys PC has Intel Pentium G2120 (Ivybridge) and a HD 7950 3GB. It has no problems playing all the latest games at decent settings. Impressive for the low cost of the chip.
If the upcoming Kaveri can match i3 level IPC and have 4 cores, it will be very impressive. I'll be building a few rigs with Kaveri. I hope it's decent.
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That's a stonking board for the money, teppic. Too big for my liking though, and no wifi 
Think I'll plump for the Gigabyte F2A88XN-WIFI
Think I'll plump for the Gigabyte F2A88XN-WIFI
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Between,the X4 760K,A8 5600K,the FX6300 and the FX8320,I find it hard to recommend the Core i3 CPUs,other than for certain niche situations TBH.
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I saw this on the HardOCP forums:
http://i.imgur.com/Rg9fKas.png
It could be a photoshop as it does not look like a proper AMD slide.
I have some doubts over its validity,as I doubt if AMD would bother with AM3+ that long,especially as their APUs will be on 28NM and probably 20NM.
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Supposedly from this Hungarian website:
http://prohardver.hu/index.html
http://i.imgur.com/Rg9fKas.png
It could be a photoshop as it does not look like a proper AMD slide.
I have some doubts over its validity,as I doubt if AMD would bother with AM3+ that long,especially as their APUs will be on 28NM and probably 20NM.
Edit!!
Supposedly from this Hungarian website:
http://prohardver.hu/index.html
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And I'd be surprised if they released excavator for FM2+ (That's just a sly dig given their history of APU's)
And again, I'd find it too hard to believe they'd run Vishera for that long
It's probably just a photoshop like you say.
And I agree, an i3 is an almost impossible recommendation.
And again, I'd find it too hard to believe they'd run Vishera for that long
It's probably just a photoshop like you say.
And I agree, an i3 is an almost impossible recommendation.
^^ DDR3 in 2015, well that's killed a bit of the excitement for upcoming APU's for me lol. Was hoping we would see 6-8 core APU with DDR4 in 2015.
Not just i3, Pentium 3.2Ghz Haswell can be had for under £50, Haswell mobo about the same price, and then add a dedicated GPU, for a similar overall price to an 6800K and AMD mobo setup. The Intel system would perform better and consume less power, so it def has it's place. I have built enough of them to know they do lol.
Both Intel low end CPU and AMD APU setups are viable options.
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You can get the Athlon II X4 760K for around £60 though. Considering it is overclockable too,it is actually quite a decent CPU for the price. Alas,like the good old Athlon II X3,I suspect it will be ignored. The Athlon II X3 was awesome value. A mate managed to get it to unlock to a Phenom II X4 with L3 cache. Happy days!!
Regarding the APUs with IGPs,I think the A8 5600K is the sweet spot for pure value for money. At £70 it has a good IGP and almost the same CPU performance as the A10 CPUs. Only the A10-5700 and A10 6700 interest me among the more expensive APUs,as they seem nice fits for a SFF system.
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That slide says nothing, pretty much like AMD have said nothing of AM3+. Using the "if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck..." idiom... It's probably spot on. Vishera is all there will be on AM3+, and perhaps no new models at all
You can get the Athlon II X4 760K for around £60 though. Considering it is overclockable too,it is actually quite a decent CPU for the price. Alas,like the good old Athlon II X3,I suspect it will be ignored. The Athlon II X3 was awesome value. A mate managed to get it to unlock to a Phenom II X4 with L3 cache. Happy days!!
Regarding the APUs with IGPs,I think the A8 5600K is the sweetspot for pure value for money. At £70 it has a good IGP and almost the same CPU performance as the A10 CPUs. Only the A10-5700 and A10 6700 interest me among the more expensive APUs,as they seem nice fits for a SFF system.
Yeah agreed, their are decent budget options from both Intel and AMD, for me right now the Haswell Pentiums paired with a dedicated GPU like a HD 7750+ is a similar priced more balanced overall system, performs a lil better and uses less power. Current AMD APU's do have their place in small for factor PC's as well though, where space is very limited. I'm hoping Kaveri is a decent step up from a 6800K, the GCN SP's and SR cores might make it a better option than a cheap CPU / dedicated GPU setup. It will prob all come down to pricing.
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I thought I would post the slide anyway and I expect wccftech will get hold of it and make it some mega AMD doom story.
The only way I can see the 2015 APUs using DDR3,is if DDR4 is going to be still silly expensive by then,and AMD ends up using the stacked DRAM tech they have been working on with Amkor and Hynix since 2011,to reduce bottlenecks. Remember,some early AMD documents indicated Kaveri would be a six core part with GDDR5 capability(but it seems it was dropped when the SteamrollerB cores were introduced).
I suspect we might see a 16NM/20NM APUs by 2015,so it will be interesting to see the core count.
The only way I can see the 2015 APUs using DDR3,is if DDR4 is going to be still silly expensive by then,and AMD ends up using the stacked DRAM tech they have been working on with Amkor and Hynix since 2011,to reduce bottlenecks. Remember,some early AMD documents indicated Kaveri would be a six core part with GDDR5 capability(but it seems it was dropped when the SteamrollerB cores were introduced).
I suspect we might see a 16NM/20NM APUs by 2015,so it will be interesting to see the core count.
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You can get the Athlon II X4 760K for around £60 though. Considering it is overclockable too,it is actually quite a decent CPU for the price. Alas,like the good old Athlon II X3,I suspect it will be ignored. The Athlon II X3 was awesome value. A mate managed to get it to unlock to a Phenom II X4 with L3 cache. Happy days!!
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@ £60 the Athlon is unbelievable value, 4 unlocked cores for £60.
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You used to get Phenom II X4's for 60 pound.
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Yeah i remember, for a while you could get the 960T for £65, a lot of them unlocked to the 6 core.