Council Tax
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Well I am not, but then I do not commit any crime or have any other source of income, I need to get a job asap. People who are determined not to work will still manage to get by, but all this is doing is increasing crime levels etc. Google "crime levels since benefits cuts" if you don't believe me.
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Yeah living off £60 a week before bedroom tax and council tax top up is like heaven.
Bet you've never had to survive on your own with such little money coming from school to college to uni and still living at home.
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Life supported by the tax payer isn't meant to be easy.
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No but 86JR thinks it's all 50" Plasma TVs, SKY+ HD, fags, booze and iPhones.
It's a myth, the majority of people on benefits do struggle.
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He's not the sharpest tool in the shed, he sees expensive gadgets and people on benefits and assumes they got the gadgets while they were on benefits.
I downgraded some of my stuff to try and live until I got a job but with bills piling up the money didn't last long and I had to sign on.
Just because someone has a nice TV, phone and sky package doesn't mean they are well off, bills don't just stop just because you have lost your job people still expect you to pay for things. While I agree it's not right that the tax payer has to subsidise it you can't expect people just to sell everything off to make yourself feel better, benefits are there as a stop gap till you can get back into work.
If I was on benefits and didn't have a TV, a phone, or anything to entertain me at night and weekends when you can't look for a job I think I'd top myself.
I downgraded some of my stuff to try and live until I got a job but with bills piling up the money didn't last long and I had to sign on.
Just because someone has a nice TV, phone and sky package doesn't mean they are well off, bills don't just stop just because you have lost your job people still expect you to pay for things. While I agree it's not right that the tax payer has to subsidise it you can't expect people just to sell everything off to make yourself feel better, benefits are there as a stop gap till you can get back into work.
If I was on benefits and didn't have a TV, a phone, or anything to entertain me at night and weekends when you can't look for a job I think I'd top myself.
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If you live at home with your parents and have never lived on your own then you have absolutely no idea. I think people should work and should not be on benefits but if you have not noticed the UK and most of the world is not exactly the land of opportunity at present. The cost of living keeps going up, benefits going down, job opportunities are supposedly increasing slowly, but it is not a good time to be in a flat with no job. Being at university is easy, you get free money and there is not even that much work to do, I have a degree so I know what it is like.
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Welcome to 86JR world, from school to higher education all while living at home, the job center didn't give him all the disability benefits he wanted so now he is on a crusade against people on benefits. He has Aspergers apparently and the Job Center refused to pay him disability yet he manages to run a "successful" business from home and is looking at starting another business, if he can do that with Aspergers there is no reason he couldn't work and the Job Center were right not to give him disability benefit.
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Only reason I have a TV and PC etc. is because I bought it all when I actually had money, there is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of buying ANYTHING other than food and bills whilst on benefits (unless you have illegal income) in fact you do not even get anywhere near enough to cover basic living costs anymore since the benefit cuts. I am currently looking for work and my outgoings are about £150 more than my income per month on benefits, this is whilst scrimping as much as possible and not buying anything other than food and bills, its sucks, being on benefits is NOT FUN!
If it was a laugh then everyone will be on it!
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Tut! Moan,moan I,ve had an 8k bill this year from Bristol City council lol. Hummmm ! How many days of jail would that get me for non payment ?.seems the poor think that the hard work man owe them all for sitting on their Asses . Get up get out and earn the extra,s like we have to !
Yes I agree but I just find it very irritating when people who still live with parents, whether they are in work or not, say that people on benefits just sit around all day and have an easy life, it is not fun being on benefits and the sooner I can get a job the better. The media and goverment etc. with all the propaganda for example the program "benefits street" try to make anyone on benefits look like lazy scum when it is actually the governments fault that a lot of people are currently on benefits, due to the job market, recession etc.
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More nonsense. All work is "hard" work. No "poor" people are expecting anyone to pay for them but the fact we live in a civilised society means we look after the people who are in need.
Would you rather people starve and become homeless to save you a couple of quid a year on your tax?
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Ahahahahhahahaha. A post truly worthy of many lols.
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I'll have to take your word for that, the only charged services I could find were for disposing of landfill waste which was being imposed as an extra charge to reduce landfill not as a pay-as-you-go service.
I simply don't believe that Ireland would get anywhere near it's impressive recycling rate (I believe they are only second to Germany) if people could just pay for their services ad-hoc and throw what ever they want away whenever they want.
I can see it however if they offer free recycling collection (which have to be subsidised) and then force people to pay for landfill with an extra charge (the system in Dublin).
However in Ireland, it is illegal to deliberately throw non-recyclable waste into a recycling bin. So whilst they may have the 'liberal' payment system, they have some pretty draconian and non-liberal laws supporting it.
We were talking about who financed collections. not who carried them out. You can have locally financed (via taxation) collection carried out by private contractors but those authorities don't offer the 'opt out' or PAYG system you want, so they are irrelevant in the discussion.
You have provided no evidence that it wouldn't, you've simply said that some countries don't pay for collections via taxation and said they don't have fly tipping.
Given no city in the world is free from fly tipping, you'd have to show a medium/long term study where one city has switched from one system to another and studied the impact it had. You can't just cite some place you thought looked nice on TV and doesn't have a CT system and claim proof that having a house-by-house subscription service would not cause all kinds of mess.
Sources please....
And where do the County Council get their money from? They are subsidised by CT payers in the city who in turn give the City some back to pay for the field used getting our vehicles to the tips that sit in their jurisdiction. No 'extra' money is being put it, it has all come from CT.
That's not to say we aren't subsided at all by outside money, but that comes from our commercial trade waste collection services we offer but even if that was enough to cover the entire domestic operation so what?
There is a huge difference between the entire cost of environmental services and domestic refuse collection, which is why I was careful in my wording when I made the claim. Environmental Services encompasses everything from deep cleaning the streets to enforcing waste legislation.
As above, I suspect you are looking at a top-level figure for environmental services and not purely the domestic waste collection element. This can be seen from Wiltshire's 2014 budget which includes the figure you are...
But that £3m for 'communities' includes a lot more than just the collections. It includes things like street cleaning services, the running of authority owned tip sites, the running and cleaning of carparks and park services.
But that chart highlights a point I made earlier, out of all the things your CT goes on even the entire waste service is a tiny minority, so why get a bee in your bonnet about it and why would expect any real lowering of you CT if it were to go totally private?
No I just think you are comparing a council's entire environmental budget with the domestic waste collection budget and so are seeing big differences.
On bulkies I said that we make money from scrap metal which in turn helps subsidise the free service, I didn't mention extra charges.
As for our "Brown Bin" scheme for garden waste you will know as an expert in these matter that Council Tax does not cover or provide a council with money for collecting garden waste. So in affect it is an extra service you can have which isn't covered by your CT.
I'm glad you brought it up though as it is a small version of what you essentially want, I haven't got the figures to hand but I can assure you after we introduced it we had a substantial drop in the weights we were getting for green waste when we offered it for free. So where do you think this extra weight has gone? It's gone into landfill instead, something that shouldn't happen under you logic.
Yes and one I disagree with and stand by the idea that keeping the locality clean and tidy should be a forced shared responsibility rather than left to individual choice.
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They all do. Do you not think living in a place free of homeless people a benefit to you (i.e social housing)? And how many CT payers don't have kids (schools) or leave their house (highways)?