HardOCP compare a 2600K with a 7700K

[pingu666]

hmm
so as a generalisation, a decently clocked i7 2600k to 7700k will get say 5% to 30-50% performance gain depending on the task.

on the graphics card front you could double the performance for the same price card, the 200 - 300 quid bracket over the same time period.

so at this rate a generation or two from intel we might get to 50% figure solidly

 

[Dan221081]

I'm telling you from experience that for my standard pc usage (gaming and day to day use) that jumping from 2500k to 5820k was nice, but not £600 nice.

If it wasn't for extra board features spending £600 quid on a GTX1080 would give someone more reward than swapping their cpu.

Thats exactly what I did just before Christmas, I thought I would wait until just after Christmas and evaluate the new CPUs before upgrading those as well, but now I have a GTX1080 BF1 at ultra at 1440p is amazingly smooth. I am still tempted to refresh my system, but its the lack of PC games that really push whats capable with PC gaming thats currently holding me back.

so my 2600k oc to 4.5ghz will continue to hold me over for now.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

That's a really interesting comment. I thought only last week you were saying how games don't benefit from multicore execution?

Considering Ryzen will at best match Broadwell IPC, how are you expecting it to outperform Kaby?

lol.

He's a flip-flopper, in other words, changes opinion regularly the real flopper is the guy who loves AMD but at least he's consistent

 

[Doogles]

That's a really interesting comment. I thought only last week you were saying how games don't benefit from multicore execution?

Considering Ryzen will at best match Broadwell IPC, how are you expecting it to outperform Kaby?

lol.

Not who you are replying to but Ryzen will be better for some awhile Kaby will be for others.

 

[DragonQ]

hmm
so as a generalisation, a decently clocked i7 2600k to 7700k will get say 5% to 30-50% performance gain depending on the task.

on the graphics card front you could double the performance for the same price card, the 200 - 300 quid bracket over the same time period.

so at this rate a generation or two from intel we might get to 50% figure solidly

Adding up the IPC improvements between the two would get you to maybe 25% on average (20-30% is very common amongst clock-for-clock benchmarks, with there generally being a bigger difference in heavily threaded workloads). Adding on the typical ~300 MHz advantage in "average expected overclock" compared to Sandy Bridge (~7%) and you get 28-40%, so maybe 35% on average. If you're talking about a specialist task that heavily uses a new instruction set, you might get 50+% improvement.

Note that these numbers are generous (source). Other comparisons I've seen show lesser differences between each generation.

 

[ubersonic]

So if you've got a stable K sandy bridge upwards, it's not worth the upgrade.

In fairness we knew that before Kaby was even announced. If you have a second gen i5/i7 that clocks well then the only reason to upgrade today is for features you desire (I.E M.2/U.2, USB3.1, etc).

 

[~>Dg<~]

i dont get it how can you say its not worth it ? its as much a blanket statement as me saying it is worth it.

if your pc plays does everything as you want as fast as you want.fine ! just dont say it isnt worth upgrading or there isnt enough of a performance jump.there is.

if you fine with what you have fair enough.just dont say the performance jump isnt there it is.somethings are pretty big differences.

 

[IvanDobskey]

The way i look at it, going from a 2500k to my current 6700k got me 30% ipc improvement, an extra 300mhz, pcie 3.0, DDR4 3000mhz memory and hyperthreading. Add to that a newer more modern chipset with more features. I'd say it was a reasonable upgrade.

Will probably be another 5 years before i upgrade again though.

 

[DragonQ]

i dont get it how can you say its not worth it ? its as much a blanket statement as me saying it is worth it.

True.

if your pc plays does everything as you want as fast as you want.fine ! just dont say it isnt worth upgrading or there isnt enough of a performance jump.there is.

if you fine with what you have fair enough.just dont say the performance jump isnt there it is.somethings are pretty big differences.

...but you keep doing it anyway so someone has to redress the balance I guess?

The way i look at it, going from a 2500k to my current 6700k got me 30% ipc improvement, an extra 300mhz, pcie 3.0, DDR4 3000mhz memory and hyperthreading. Add to that a newer more modern chipset with more features. I'd say it was a reasonable ugrade.

Going from an i5 to an i7 is obviously a bigger upgrade though. You'd have to compare the improvement you get from doing that compared to simply upgrading to an i7 on the same platform, and then compare their costs.

 

[Buckster]

To me from an overclocked 3770k - as a keen gamer and for occasional video editing the upgrade would not be worthwhile at £150 let alone nearer £550 !

 

[IvanDobskey]

If i already had a 3770k, no way I'd have upgraded.

In fact i did look at swapping my 2500k out for a 3770k but the prices of used 3770k's were so obscene, it made more sense to do a full rebuild and sell the old parts.

I was expecting a second hand chip to be under £100. So i was a bit shocked to see people quoting up to £200. My brand new 6700k was only £100 more!

Similar situation with 980ti's. There comes a point where you just say I'm not paying that for a used previous gen item. I'd rather pay a bit more and buy new.

 

[andy_mk3]

I run a 2600k @ 4.6GHz, and I find it plenty powerful enough for my uses at the moment. I think I'm held back by my 280x Xfire more in games though, BF1 framerates are certainly lower than I got in BF4.

I don't feel the need to upgrade the CPU for some time yet though.

 

[Columbo]

I run a 2600k @ 4.6GHz, and I find it plenty powerful enough for my uses at the moment. I think I'm held back by my 280x Xfire more in games though, BF1 framerates are certainly lower than I got in BF4.

I don't feel the need to upgrade the CPU for some time yet though.

You are being held back, I've a 2600k at 4.8 and went from xFire 280x's to a single 980Ti a while back and the difference is simply night and day.

 

[Minstadave]

You are being held back, I've a 2600k at 4.8 and went from xFire 280x's to a single 980Ti a while back and the difference is simply night and day.

Same here. Went from a 7990 to a 980Ti and it's so much better. Frame rates aren't hugely higher but the smoothness, better minimum FPS and lack of Crossfire bugs/absent support are great.

 

[Stretlow]

How would one go about gauging the effectiveness of one upgrade to another?

For example i have the 6500 (non k) I'm considering upgrading to a z170 with a 6700k or z270 with the 7700k at some point.. (maybe a zen when we know what theyre about)

I've never overclocked a cpu before however i did my first GPU overclock recently so I want to have a go.

I've recently got back into gaming and Watchdogs 2 really struggled on my machine (well about 50fps @1440p)

 

[Columbo]

I believe with the right board your 6500 will overclock via the BLCK, might be wrong though.

 

[Mercutio]

Another sat on an overclocked 2600k.

I reckon there might well be a few of these around a few months after Ryzen? I've been pretty unimpressed by the last few gens of Intel (nothing WRONG with them, just nothing to give point to an upgrade) to a point where I'll probably jump just for a change.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Save making a new thread, another relevant piece.

http://www.techspot.com/article/1313-intel-q6600-ten-years-later/

 

[andy_mk3]

You are being held back, I've a 2600k at 4.8 and went from xFire 280x's to a single 980Ti a while back and the difference is simply night and day.

Same here. Went from a 7990 to a 980Ti and it's so much better. Frame rates aren't hugely higher but the smoothness, better minimum FPS and lack of Crossfire bugs/absent support are great.

I have been looking at benchmarks and stuff actually. Think I'm sold on a 1070 as an upgrade. FPS increase isn't huge, but the minimum frame rates are massively higher. I've just bought a 1440p monitor too.

 

[Minstadave]

You won't be disappointed. Witcher 3 went from a jerky mess to lovely smooth 60FPS.