Motorsport Off Topic Thread

[adam cool dude]

I know he's clearly "got it right" this cycle and as much as I have huge respect for what Newey has done; you also need to look at the vast parts of the last 20-30 years where his cars haven't been out front so its not as if there isn't other capable designers out there; Ferrari, Mercedes and others have had fast, front running, race winning (if not championship winning) cars with zero input from Adrian Newey. In fact both Ferrari and Mercedes had periods of dominance without Newey.

Newey has been the only person though who has been able to catch up and no one has had the longevity he had. Everywhere he has gone has been success and for nearly 40 years too. The only rare blip was McLaren for about 4 season but in a 40 year span I will give him that. I also think a lot more of the failing in that time was due to internal struggles rather than Newey.

90's he was the king pretty much. 98 rule change he blitzed it, 09 Rule change he made a monster of a car but with a lack of DD it wasn't until they retrofitted that they went steaming off into the distance. 14 rule change again he made a fantastic car but had a rubbish engine. If Redbull had that Mercedes power plant it would have most likely been on top. Now he has got the engine RB are just unstoppable.

What is more dissapointing is that no one has come up through the ranks and been able to challenge him. I guess it is more the corporate nature of everything now that stifles the young and intellegent more than anything.

 

[chrismscotland]

Newey has been the only person though who has been able to catch up and no one has had the longevity he had. Everywhere he has gone has been success and for nearly 40 years too. The only rare blip was McLaren for about 4 season but in a 40 year span I will give him that. I also think a lot more of the failing in that time was due to internal struggles rather than Newey.

90's he was the king pretty much. 98 rule change he blitzed it, 09 Rule change he made a monster of a car but with a lack of DD it wasn't until they retrofitted that they went steaming off into the distance. 14 rule change again he made a fantastic car but had a rubbish engine. If Redbull had that Mercedes power plant it would have most likely been on top. Now he has got the engine RB are just unstoppable.

What is more dissapointing is that no one has come up through the ranks and been able to challenge him. I guess it is more the corporate nature of everything now that stifles the young and intellegent more than anything.

Your probably bang on about it all being more corporate now; heck even since the early 00's when we still had proper privateer teams like Jordan its all got a bit sterile.

I think as well people aren't given the time that others might have got; it seems to be instant success or out

 

[koolpc]

Newey has just accepted Hamiltons seat for next year!....

 

[Armageus]

Looks like it's on catch up @Armageus @the-evaluator about 7:00hrs in.

Was well worth a watch. Thanks

 

[SoliD]

Was well worth a watch. Thanks

Yep, cracking start, the hybrid rule changes are certainly an improvement! Enough power without being too easy to pass. Although may be different at some other circuits. Looking forward to seeing the new tyre rules next time out.

 

[SoliD]

BBC reporting Newey negotiating to start elsewhere in 2025, wonders where he is going exactly.

 

[Eddie99]

BBC reporting Newey negotiating to start elsewhere in 2025, wonders where he is going exactly.

My guess would be Ferrari.

 

[utajoker]

hes previously expressed wanting to work with hamilton alonso and ferrari.

can tick 2 off now.

 

[Trusty]

Ham, Newey and Ferrari would be the dream team. Would be very interesting to see what they could do, been a long time since Ferrari won anything.

Horner, Max.....and Jos is clearly toxic as hell.

 

[cuke2u]

Away from F1's silly season this is worth a good read
BBC News - Sid Watkins, Ayrton Senna and Formula 1's safety revolution - BBC Sport

Sid Watkins, Ayrton Senna and Formula 1's safety revolution

It is 30 years since the death of Ayrton Senna. Sid Watkins, the man who tried to save him, was a close friend who led two safety revolutions within Formula 1.

www.bbc.co.uk

Bernie has come in for a lot of criticism but without him and Watkins F1 might not have survived. They witnessed great tragedies in the sport and did something about it.
RIP Senna

 

[Jimbeam3678]

I have read the same article or a very similar one. Without them F1 would have struggled and between them, they have saved countless lives. You just have to look at the youtube clip on the previous page to see that.

 

[KiNgPiN83]

BBC reporting Newey negotiating to start elsewhere in 2025, wonders where he is going exactly.

I’m guessing they’ll use the instability as one of the reasons he shouldn’t need to work the gardening leave/full terms of contract. I can’t really see how else he’ll be able to over turn that. (I’d like to see him at another team for 2025 though… ) Mercedes would be amazing purely to upset Horner further. Haha!

 

[Scam]

Official F1 Facebook page just popped up saying RB have confirmed he’s leaving for 2025.

Edit: https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1785595090624270397

Edit: Nice to announce it on the 30th anniversary of Senna’s death. Seems a little.. ignorant.

 

[Armageus]

First Quarter 2025, so even if no gardening leave, still too late to have much influence on a 2025 car.

 

[Trusty]

Away from F1's silly season this is worth a good read
BBC News - Sid Watkins, Ayrton Senna and Formula 1's safety revolution - BBC Sport

Sid Watkins, Ayrton Senna and Formula 1's safety revolution

It is 30 years since the death of Ayrton Senna. Sid Watkins, the man who tried to save him, was a close friend who led two safety revolutions within Formula 1.

www.bbc.co.uk

Bernie has come in for a lot of criticism but without him and Watkins F1 might not have survived. They witnessed great tragedies in the sport and did something about it.
RIP Senna

Grand Prix: The Killer Years (TV Movie 2011) ⭐ 8.1 | Documentary

59m | TV-14

www.imdb.com

If you've never seen this, this is also a great watch. Goes back to the 60's/70's and looks at the safety issues.

 

[Ryan-3]

First Quarter 2025, so even if no gardening leave, still too late to have much influence on a 2025 car.

An additional young design member called Adriano Nuovo could have some revolutionary ideas for the 2025 car

 

[adam cool dude]

First Quarter 2025, so even if no gardening leave, still too late to have much influence on a 2025 car.

Yeah but also means he couldn't give a dam about RB's 2025 car. Double edge sword. Plus I am sure he will find ways.

 

[Feek]

Bernie has come in for a lot of criticism but without him and Watkins F1 might not have survived. They witnessed great tragedies in the sport and did something about it.

I've got Sid's book, it's a fascinating read and it really shows how safety came on.

 

[Tigget]

Official F1 Facebook page just popped up saying RB have confirmed he’s leaving for 2025.

Edit: https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1785595090624270397

Edit: Nice to announce it on the 30th anniversary of Senna’s death. Seems a little.. ignorant.

Honestly, what is wrong with you? It's pathetic, get a grip.

 

[Tigget]

Newey moving on seemed inevitable. Will be interesting to see if he joins another team and if and when he does, how much impact he can have. Obviously with RBR he was given carte blanche to do as he pleased and shape a young team. Whereas going into e.g. Ferrari/Merc, who have very rigid structures and have proved they have a general unwillingness to change quickly, could affect his ability to work long term. Especially when you consider he's almost 65 and will be closer to 67 when the new regs come in, so after a few years development he'd likely be into his 70s. I don't think anything is concrete. Still, a shake up nonetheless.