Need to learn about networking

[Cromulent]

I've got a reasonable idea about TCP and UDP but things that I don't know about are things like routing. Also I want to join RIPE so I can get allocated a block of IPv6 addresses. I'm not sure what the situation is with IPv4 addresses but I know you can rent them. I assume you'd need to associate them with your ASN number. I need to learn about BGP.

There loads of things I don't know so I was hoping people could recommend some books for me to read.

 

[Screeeech]

I've got a reasonable idea about TCP and UDP but things that I don't know about are things like routing. Also I want to join RIPE so I can get allocated a block of IPv6 addresses. I'm not sure what the situation is with IPv4 addresses but I know you can rent them. I assume you'd need to associate them with your ASN number. I need to learn about BGP.

Any of the recent CCNA books will do the job, they cover the basics of routing and switching among other topics - up to and including the basics of BGP.

 

[Cromulent]

Any of the recent CCNA books will do the job, they cover the basics of routing and switching among other topics - up to and including the basics of BGP.

Thank you. I'll look into them!

 

[Deleted member 77746]

Thank you. I'll look into them!

I give CCNA books away many moons ago. A kid a lot younger than me was getting into it and after I finished a course I didn’t bother selling them. Just give them away.

You can pick up YouTube videos on stuff exactly what you have mentioned. Take a peak.

 

[Cromulent]

I give CCNA books away many moons ago. A kid a lot younger than me was getting into it and after I finished a course I didn’t bother selling them. Just give them away.

You can pick up YouTube videos on stuff exactly what you have mentioned. Take a peak.

Thank you. I'll have a hunt around YouTube.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

Thank you. I'll have a hunt around YouTube.

Just do specific searches like “Cisco BGP” or “Cisco CCNA Routing”

Etc. you will find EXACTLY what the books contain but for free without needing to buy books.

 

[Cromulent]

Just do specific searches like “Cisco BGP” or “Cisco CCNA Routing”

Etc. you will find EXACTLY what the books contain but for free without needing to buy books.

Nice!

 

[Cyber-Mav]

as above can learn anything off youtube, iv done smd soldering to doing a cambelt job on my car all thanks to youtube vids.

 

[Cromulent]

Thank you!

I'm thinking of using QEMU to simulate a real network to get to grips with things. Does this sound like a reasonable idea?

 

[Armageus]

Also I want to join RIPE so I can get allocated a block of IPv6 addresses. I'm not sure what the situation is with IPv4 addresses but I know you can rent them.

Why? You can use the private IP4 ranges to test and try most things

I need to learn about BGP.

Again Why? Unless you've a specific need for it, then it's more of a specialist thing than a helpful day-to-day networking skill

There loads of things I don't know so I was hoping people could recommend some books for me to read.

Unless you've an actual need for them or are going to use the skills you learn, then it's often hard going to learn things (especially with such specialist and "dry" reading such as BGP)

 

[Cromulent]

Why? You can use the private IP4 ranges to test and try most things


Again Why? Unless you've a specific need for it, then it's more of a specialist thing than a helpful day-to-day networking skill


Unless you've an actual need for them or are going to use the skills you learn, then it's often hard going to learn things (especially with such specialist and "dry" reading such as BGP)

Thank you for the reply.

Regarding RIPE it is my understanding that you need an ASN in order to advertise an IPv6 block. Plus I'd like to rent an IPv4 block and advertise that on my network as well. If I'm wrong please correct me!

Learning about BGP because of the above.

I'll still keep a look out for some books.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

if running vms how about proxmox?

 

[Screeeech]

Thank you!

I'm thinking of using QEMU to simulate a real network to get to grips with things. Does this sound like a reasonable idea?

Learn the basic fundamentals and theory first, before jumping straight into labs - start at the beginning, learning by lab is never the best way.

Otherwise you'll likely jump straight into the deep end, without fully understanding the layers properly, get confused and probably give up.

Read the books, cement the fundamental knowledge - then think about doing labs later once the basics are nailed down.

Spoiler

I used to teach the Juniper advanced routing and JNCxx courses professionally, so I know a thing or two about this topic

 

[Cromulent]

Learn the basic fundamentals and theory first, before jumping straight into labs - start at the beginning, learning by lab is never the best way.

Otherwise you'll likely jump straight into the deep end, without fully understanding the layers properly, get confused and probably give up.

Read the books, cement the fundamental knowledge - then think about doing labs later once the basics are nailed down.

Spoiler

I used to teach the Juniper advanced routing and JNCxx courses professionally, so I know a thing or two about this topic

Thank you very much for your reply. Based on advice above the CCNA books are the ones I should be getting. Do you have any additional book suggestions?

 

[Screeeech]

Thank you very much for your reply. Based on advice above the CCNA books are the ones I should be getting. Do you have any additional book suggestions?

Not really,

The CCNA has been around for the best part of 20 years now, one of the reasons for this is that Cisco has always been one of the best at teaching the fundamentals. You could learn the CCNA properly, then you'd be setup for doing network engineering in whichever speciality you wanted, be on Cisco, Juniper, Cumulus - or whatever.

Data centre, Wireless, Service-provider, automation etc, someone who knows the fundamentals well, will be able to understand the more advanced concepts later - because most network engineering principles rest on the simple, basic fundamentals you learn in something like a CCNA.

If you're learning the CCNA - there isn't really much else I'd recommend, as you run the risk of being one of those people who has spent £500 on books, but doesn't really know anything so long as what you've ordered is the current or up to date version.

There are a lot of "old" CCNA books out there, from when the topics have changed (and it's changed a lot over the years) so as long as you have a modern version - there will be more than enough to keep you going.

 

[Cromulent]

Not really,

The CCNA has been around for the best part of 20 years now, one of the reasons for this is that Cisco has always been one of the best at teaching the fundamentals. You could learn the CCNA properly, then you'd be setup for doing network engineering in whichever speciality you wanted, be on Cisco, Juniper, Cumulus - or whatever.

Data centre, Wireless, Service-provider, automation etc, someone who knows the fundamentals well, will be able to understand the more advanced concepts later - because most network engineering principles rest on the simple, basic fundamentals you learn in something like a CCNA.

If you're learning the CCNA - there isn't really much else I'd recommend, as you run the risk of being one of those people who has spent £500 on books, but doesn't really know anything so long as what you've ordered is the current or up to date version.

There are a lot of "old" CCNA books out there, from when the topics have changed (and it's changed a lot over the years) so as long as you have a modern version - there will be more than enough to keep you going.

Thank you. Much appreciated!

 

[Richard_16v]

I passed my CCNA years ago (expired now), but don't remember it covering enough about BGP to work with it, just enough to know the basics

I would have thought you would need CCNA routing to get into BGP

 

[Screeeech]

The best way to learn BGP from doing certifications, would be to go CCNA > CCNP Service-provider, as traditionally BGP has been heavily used in service-provider tech.

The problem with BGP, is that the operation of the protocol requires an understand of the underlying network technologies, (the basics from the CCNA). If you don't know the basics of the underlying IP routing, you're always going to struggle to properly understand BGP.

Alternatively, you could learn Juniper (which I used to teach professionally <JNCIS/JNCIE>), but even then - I'd still say that Cisco have always had better material for the entry level courses.

 

[DJMK4]

You.need to understand the fundamentals and get In to the associate entry level, CCNA first. BGP will be explained later but learn other routing protocols first

There should still be availability of IPV4 addressing via ripe .why are you wanting them and why are you wanting to setup BGP ? Are you a service provider ? Or enterprise ? and why ipv6? Is this a production environment?

The olden days of CCNA and CCNP have changed your aware of this, anyone who follows or has certs should know that a lot of content has changed. That being said, BGP is still the same but there is a lot of different material out now.

I would suggest reading from the start and outline self teach the CCNA and CCNP if you want to get in to it..

Learn>watch>read>lab > etc

I have been a network engineer since 2006 working mainly with managed service , got the ICND1 and ICND2 done around 2014 to get the CCNA then CCNP route, switch and TSHOOT, which was renewed a few times then changed to the new cert format CCNP enterprise as it's now called and renewed again. I have over a thousand days before i have to renew

Worth the effort if you can follow the videos/reading / labs method

 

[pre]

You won't be allocated IPv4 to use with BPG from RIPE at this point - their allocation was exhausted years ago. IPv6 should be fine.