Funny you should mention that, because mum was around when watching the race on Sunday & she goes like 'wish it could RAIN. I like it when it rains'! Think she secretly watched the German GP... & enjoyed it
2007 Turkish GP Race 12/17
- Thread starter rpstewart
- Start date
I have to say the German race was a brilliant race. I very much enjoyed that with all the goings on.
I had to laugh a little when Kimi was leading and jumped over the kerb in the pitlane to do another lap.
The first turn was good when car after car went off, although I thought that Hamilton should'nt of really carried on as he got help off the stewards. Oh well.
I had to laugh a little when Kimi was leading and jumped over the kerb in the pitlane to do another lap.
The first turn was good when car after car went off, although I thought that Hamilton should'nt of really carried on as he got help off the stewards. Oh well.
LOL that is so true.
Fair comment which is true.
Remember when Schummy had the stewards helped him out of the gravel trap, he carried on with the race and got a load of abuse and bad comments at the end of the race saying because its Michael Schumacher why should he get 'extra' help.
When it happened to Hamilton? What did Mark Blundell, Martin Brundel and James Allen say... nothing about it. It was pretty much forgoten. They were saying how unlucky he was because he finished 9th. I hate all the hype around him. Thats a huge part why I dont like him.
Remember when Schummy had the stewards helped him out of the gravel trap, he carried on with the race and got a load of abuse and bad comments at the end of the race saying because its Michael Schumacher why should he get 'extra' help.
When it happened to Hamilton? What did Mark Blundell, Martin Brundel and James Allen say... nothing about it. It was pretty much forgoten. They were saying how unlucky he was because he finished 9th. I hate all the hype around him. Thats a huge part why I dont like him.
Last edited:
Not really, They where going how good he was keeping his engine running and having the foresight.
When Schu did it no one really new the rules so he got bad mouthed (as well as no one liking him). But Schu showed us all the rules, so anyone who does it know. Wont be bad mouthed to the same extent.
Testing times for Monza day 2
Code:
[b]Name Team Laps Time Gap[/b]
Alonso McLaren 49 1:23.155 155.836 mph
Hamilton McLaren 49 1:23.454 0.299
Heidfeld BMW 84 1:23.725 0.570
Trulli Toyota 61 1:23.759 0.604
Raikkonen Ferrari 59 1:23.773 0.618
Kovalainen Renault 51 1:24.093 0.938
Vettel Toro Rosso 101 1:24.266 1.111
Wurz WilliamsF1 70 1:24.356 1.201
Klien Honda 92 1:24.595 1.440
Webber Red Bull 83 1:24.701 1.546
Sato Super Aguri 80 1:24.976 1.821
Sutil Spyker 76 1:25.278 2.123
Interesting line that some of the press are taking on the tyre blow-out for Hamilton. Apparently....it was Alonso who was partly to blame!
Riiiiiiiiight. How, pray tell, could Alonso not wanting to share telemetry data with Hamilton possibly be a direct cause of Hamilton and his team then setting the car up in a manner that led to a tyre going pop? I know Hamilton is relatively new at this F1 lark, but I'm pretty sure a) he understands physics and b) that he knows the Turkish track since he drove it in GP2. I'm sure he knew that he'd need to set his car up to take into account the high loading on that tyre without Alonso talking him through it step by step. For whatever reason, they didn't get it right - maybe it was too aggressive a setup, maybe the tyre was damaged in a non-obvious fashion, maybe it was just a crap tyre. Plenty of places to point fingers before pointing them at Alonso
Riiiiiiiiight. How, pray tell, could Alonso not wanting to share telemetry data with Hamilton possibly be a direct cause of Hamilton and his team then setting the car up in a manner that led to a tyre going pop? I know Hamilton is relatively new at this F1 lark, but I'm pretty sure a) he understands physics and b) that he knows the Turkish track since he drove it in GP2. I'm sure he knew that he'd need to set his car up to take into account the high loading on that tyre without Alonso talking him through it step by step. For whatever reason, they didn't get it right - maybe it was too aggressive a setup, maybe the tyre was damaged in a non-obvious fashion, maybe it was just a crap tyre. Plenty of places to point fingers before pointing them at Alonso
Interesting line that some of the press are taking on the tyre blow-out for Hamilton. Apparently....it was Alonso who was partly to blame!
Riiiiiiiiight. How, pray tell, could Alonso not wanting to share telemetry data with Hamilton possibly be a direct cause of Hamilton and his team then setting the car up in a manner that led to a tyre going pop? I know Hamilton is relatively new at this F1 lark, but I'm pretty sure a) he understands physics and b) that he knows the Turkish track since he drove it in GP2. I'm sure he knew that he'd need to set his car up to take into account the high loading on that tyre without Alonso talking him through it step by step. For whatever reason, they didn't get it right - maybe it was too aggressive a setup, maybe the tyre was damaged in a non-obvious fashion, maybe it was just a crap tyre. Plenty of places to point fingers before pointing them at Alonso
I remember peter windor in F1 racing writing an article about friction turning circle and the effect on tyres. He then claimed to have asked all the grid for their opinions on it.
I think he said at the time on Schumacer was aware of what he was even on about.
Some drivers are just harder on the tyres than others, its been commented on a lot that Lewis likes to slide the car and is aggresive on the turn in. Perhaps he did himself no favours.
Interesting line that some of the press are taking on the tyre blow-out for Hamilton. Apparently....it was Alonso who was partly to blame!
Riiiiiiiiight. How, pray tell, could Alonso not wanting to share telemetry data with Hamilton possibly be a direct cause of Hamilton and his team then setting the car up in a manner that led to a tyre going pop? I know Hamilton is relatively new at this F1 lark, but I'm pretty sure a) he understands physics and b) that he knows the Turkish track since he drove it in GP2. I'm sure he knew that he'd need to set his car up to take into account the high loading on that tyre without Alonso talking him through it step by step. For whatever reason, they didn't get it right - maybe it was too aggressive a setup, maybe the tyre was damaged in a non-obvious fashion, maybe it was just a crap tyre. Plenty of places to point fingers before pointing them at Alonso
I like Hamilton but that is just BS like you say. Damn press constantly hyping things up. IMO it was just a faulty tyre. These things happen.
Ron said they were having tyre issues all week due to the temperatures. Hamilton should have eased off a bit as there was no way he was going to catch the 'rari's other than doing a leap frog - but easing off a tiny bit wouldn't have neccesarily affected that possibility.
Shuey wasn't the first to do that. Loads of racing drivers have done it over the years, even Senna. In fact Senna actually bump started his car once when the stewards were pushing him to safety.
The reason Shuey got so much flak is because, I hate to say it, he was German. German + British Tabloid Press = negative publicity.
I hadn't noticed this before I heard about it on the F1 Rejects podcast, but take a look at the top 14 of the current drivers championship standings:
1) Lewis Hamilton - McLaren
2) Fernando Alonso - McLaren
3) Felipe Massa - Ferrari
4) Kimi Raikonnen - Ferrari
5) Nick Heidfeld - BMW
6) Robert Kubica - BMW
7) Heikki Kovaleinen - Renault
8) Giancarlo Fisichella - Renault
9) Alex Wurz - Williams
10) Nico Rosberg - Williams
11) Mark Webber - Red Bull
12) David Coulthard - Red Bull
13) Jarno Trulli - Toyota
14) Ralf Schumacher - Toyota
That has to be the most "Noah's Ark" order we've had in several years. Proof, if ever it was needed, that the car makes all the difference these days.
1) Lewis Hamilton - McLaren
2) Fernando Alonso - McLaren
3) Felipe Massa - Ferrari
4) Kimi Raikonnen - Ferrari
5) Nick Heidfeld - BMW
6) Robert Kubica - BMW
7) Heikki Kovaleinen - Renault
8) Giancarlo Fisichella - Renault
9) Alex Wurz - Williams
10) Nico Rosberg - Williams
11) Mark Webber - Red Bull
12) David Coulthard - Red Bull
13) Jarno Trulli - Toyota
14) Ralf Schumacher - Toyota
That has to be the most "Noah's Ark" order we've had in several years. Proof, if ever it was needed, that the car makes all the difference these days.
Excactly, it is almost to the point you can put in a monkey instead of a human
All they do these days in a F1 car is floor it 80% of the time and the rest is braking, bring back more power, less wings and no traction control to make the driver be more of a deciding factor in performance.
Testing times for Day 4 (day 3 was more or less rained off)
Code:
[b]Name Team Laps Time Gap[/b]
de la Rosa McLaren 55 1:23.285 155.593 mph
Massa Ferrari 67 1:23.289 0.004
Kubica BMW 68 1:23.575 0.290
Rosberg WilliamsF1 94 1:23.962 0.677
Button Honda 61 1:24.537 1.252
Liuzzi Toro Rosso 79 1:24.760 1.475
R Schumacher Toyota 39 1:24.837 1.552
Coulthard Red Bull 69 1:25.185 1.900
Davidson Super Aguri 104 1:25.416 2.131
Last edited:
Monza = Low Downforce track
Honda's problem = High Downforce tracks (e.g. Hungary). Monza's high speed nature is masking Honda's problem.
They may gain a little speed in the coming races, but nothing much will happen now until next season.
At least the new employees found the aero flaws anyway, so they might just one time begin with a reasonable car.
At least the new employees found the aero flaws anyway, so they might just one time begin with a reasonable car.