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Good.
Scientology to be Criminally Charged in Belgium
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About time too! All 'religion' is pretty much bull. That "each to their own" attitude people seem to have is also bull, becuase the world has to live with the negative effects of peoples blind faith. One less religion = one step closer to a better place imho.
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There hardly the same are they.
Indeed. Scientology is guilty of intimidation, brainwashing, social control, and preying on the weak! In addition to those things, the established religions are also behind millions of murders, torturings, and maimings...plus quite a few rapes, and abuses of children of course.
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NO religion makes sense though !
Unless you go back centuries, when it was the best solution they could come up with to explain things.
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What individuals or governments do in the name of religion is one thing, but when a religion ITSELF sends its thugs round to rough up anyone who has publicly criticised them, destroy their property, and, in one case that I'm sure you can find lots of info about on the net, to break into government offices to steal incriminating evidence against their members stored there, then I'm sorry but they're nowhere near the same league as any other religion.
I'm not a pious person, you can bash Christianity or Islam or whoever for their beliefs or their political views all you want, but a religion organised from the top down like a mafia clan is a whole different kettle of fish!
Are you suggesting that it's unfeesable for Lord Xenu of the galactic confederacy to have bought billions of people to earth in spaceships and blown them up?
Shocking.
You did not learn anything at all about Scientology. I know this because you said it is at least half believable. Which part would that be? Impress us with you knowledge.
Sorry if this sounds a little harsh, but really learn to investigate a topic before you claim knowledge of it. Seriously.
Even wikipedia gives a vague enough background on Scientology to know it is utterly ridiculous. There are many other web sites, books, articles, legal judgements, etc that will also educate you past your current very uninformed opinion on Scientology.
I studied Scientology, it's beliefs and practices as part of my degree many years ago and have read extensively around the subject over the past few years. There is nothing believable about it. It is not spiritual, nor a religion. The organisation itself is one big criminal sham. It is only defendable when the person defending it has absolutely NO knowledge of it. It's that simple. Sorry.
Scientology and the Clearwater Police
Scientology and the Cult Awareness Network
Unfunny truth about Scientology (Possibly a bit dark for work)
Missing in Happy Valley
How so? When everyone else has to live with the negative effects of their beliefs which are A) Impossible and B) Blind faith, which lets face it is one of the most dangerous things to our modern society.
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Pray tell, why is it that all the more serious atrocities attributed to the established religions can all be explained away as merely being "in the name of"?
Thankyou, I shall proceed with bashing islam then. How do you reconcile your position, i.e. "in the name of", with those occasions when the suicide bomber was brainwashed into and/or directly ordered to act by an official cleric of the religion.
The Aids epidemic in Africa hasn't impacted your life either, as is the case with many other "negative" things in the world. It doesn't mean you should ignore it.
Ignorance is what has let this cult spread its rubbish this far.
Quoted for truth. Religion has no place in a modern society imo, the sooner people realise this the better.
In what way would it be negative towards me though? You say it has affected everyone, it hasn't.
As for the Aids epidemic, what a load of ******* ******** you're speaking. Totally unrelated.
People go on about Scientology like it's the KKK or a bunch of mass murderers.
Do you expect to be taken seriously with posts like that? I'm not a religious person, but for some people it's all they have and it makes them feel better about themselves, about life, about other people. I expect you want everyone to be boring drones in a PC world do you?
It is unrelated, but works on exactly the same principle if you choose to ignore the problem. I.e, It spreads - as Scientology is doing.
Scientology has killed and is far more sinister and powerful than the KKK could ever hope to be. I suggest doing some background reading, or even watching the videos I posted earlier. There's enough documentaries around to give a basic knowledge of why Scientology is pure evil (they're generally all interesting and an "entertaining" way to spend an evening).
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When did I ever state that? What could be more drone like than being indcotrinated and brainwashed into religious belief? I just think religion as a whole does still effect the world to a large extent, it's being perpetuated by indoctrination, and just beucase it's all 'some' people have; I don't know what quite you're implying there and how many 'some is', but either way it's not justification for religion when you way up against it all the blood that's been shed in the name of it. Hundreds of years ago we might have needed the bible to dish out our morals but we've come further than that as a society. We don't double check with the bible when we write new laws. Not to mention religion is fundamentally flawed, i'd bet my life on the fact that any of the gods written about in any religious text do not and cannot exist!
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I'm not gonna defend any other religion, they've been the source of much evil in the world. In fact Jihadi extremists are a very close parallel to what Scientologists are doing: when the Ayatollahs in Iran declared a fatwah against Salman Rushdie for writing the Satanic Verses, they could've been reading out of L. Ron's own book: if you google around a bit or watch the Clearwater Police vid someone linked to above you'll find out that he wrote that "anyone who publicly criticises Scientology is a criminal and harm may be inflicted on him by any Scientologist by any means available"! To equate the actions of a minority with a religion's official stance would be like saying that the Catholic Church condones paedophilia because a number of their priests are kiddy fiddlers!
At least Islam has this in their defense: only a small extremist wing of their religion advocates violence - in Scientology it's the established Orthodoxy! Their actions are not as overt because they're small and vulnerable, so they can't openly do the things Jihadi extremists do, and certainly not claim credit for them, but they have the means and the inclination to incur physical harm on anyone they perceive as an enemy.
Even when violence was the official stance of a religion, rather than just that of a minority within it, such as in Christianity during the Crusades (or indeed, during Dubya's and Tony's current "crusade"), states went along with their policy only because it was in their political interest, not beause of blind faith, and that's what I meant by "in the name of". Scientology, on the other hand, exists as an international organisation who, through bribery and infiltration of national governments by their members, seek to build a supra-national ring of influence that raises them above local laws and entrenches them in their interests. This policy was established by the group's founder and is being vigorously pursued to this day as an official objective.
Personally, I would much rather be under the rule and tyranny of TRUE religious nutters than these crooks. If a totalitarian theocracy were established, at least I could look at the people in charge frothing at the mouth whenever they mention the name of God and console myself by thinking that they're mad. But when that slick ******* Tommy Davis comes on tv and regurgigates the spin cooked up by his PR zombies, his quite obvious posturing for the cameras makes me sick to my stomach (watch the Sweeny videos if you want an example), and tbh the skill with which he handles publicity frightens me to the core of my being, because these people can take over the world WITHOUT raising an army like the Crusaders did and WITHOUT strapping bombs on themselves - Davis has a cameraman permanently following him around, and that's more powerful and more dangerous than any amount of violence. The world IS already ruled by people like him, but at least politicians or corporate moguls don't pretend they're in it for the good of their souls: if these people have their way, the future's spirituality will be wearing sunglasses and an Armani suit, and I'd much rather be blown up by a Jihadist than live to see that, cause at least the guy blowing me up will be doing it for a reason he genuinely believes in rather than to swindle more people of their money and extend the reach of his slimy power-grabbing tentacles!