Mclaren might be in the poo big time [ANCIENT THREAD REVIVAL]

AcidHell2 said:
Ferrari should have got more punishment for that, but if this is true,

For those saying the drivers should be out, why should there drivers be punished, the car did not benefit.
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Nevertheless McLaren have been docked all their constructors points, so one can only assume they did something detrimental to the sport in the eyes of the FIA. As far as I'm concerned Hammy and Ferdy are an integral part of McLaren and are driving those 'suspect' cars. If either of them win the title, it will simply be said by their detractors that they were driving Ferrari's in drag (wether it's really true or not). It will be an undeserved stain on either of their reputations.

Personally I think McLaren should either be guilty as a whole team and thrown out of this years F1 championship, or the whole thing should be let slide, with a stern word in the Ronsters ear.

The mishmash decision we have now is incredibly cynical and doesn't help anyone, including us, the viewing public.
 
NathanE said:
The flexible floor was also an illegal feature of the F2007 car was it not?
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Well it was seen as bending the rules so the tests for it were tightened. Eery team bends the rules. McLaren themselves got done for breaking the rules by not crash testing their new gearbox only 2 races ago and fined $50000.
 
hominid said:
Why?
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Jackie Stewart always sides with the British teams, and always goes on about "THE FUTURE OF THE SPORT!111". He gave no real insight into the debate, just complained about what he felt was "clear bias" towards ferrari. Where's the proof of it? The man is not worth interviewing, he's the one whos biased.
 
Lunatic Dreyfus said:
Nevertheless McLaren have been docked all their constructors points, so one can only assume they did something detrimental to the sport in the eyes of the FIA.
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Which could simply be spying, which doesn't affect the car. But does come with sever punishment. Until we see the evidence. Then it's hard to say. i don't agree with *** all or nothing.

It is known Ferrari cheated, so in that case, they should be chucked out drivers and all?
 
NathanE said:
According to the FIA? Yes. According to the public? No - at least not until we have seen the 'evidence'. Do you know how many Ferrari top brass are on the FIA board?
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If according to the police you murdered someone then that is all that matters. It doesn't matter what the public "think".

If you look at my previous post I want to know what evidence the FIA have so that no one can complain about it being "fair".
 
Fire 1 said:
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Its McLaren that has just been found guilty of cheating. Can provide any evidence to back up your allegations?
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They've been found guilty by a bunch of men that have most of their shares in Ferrari - yes.

Ferrari cheated with the flexible floor. And inevitably people are going to call them the cheats for 'crying to mummy' and then 'winning' and then having the 'smug face' about it.
 
hominid said:
I think, by this statement, Ferrari need to provide McLaren a dossier of information relating to their 2008 car so that they don't copy it..

As you say, it's a ******* joke of a stipulation. the FIA and Max Mosely have just showed themselves to be the bias manipulative bunch of retards that they are.

If you look back at all of the spying cases in recent memory most, if not all, the wronged party is Ferrari - that alone I find interesting. Also all of the decisions reguarding tyres wnet for Ferrari, from changing the specifications when Michelin had the upper hand to going to a sole tyre supplier - that just happened to be Bridgestone when the split was something like 8teams - 2 on Michelins. All of that, I feel, was concocted to purposefully Ferrari a supposed advantage, as the other teams only on this tyre for the first year, and then Ferrari would have had an easy run of it. Come Australia this didn't happen and all of this spy stuff started to develope - Coincidences or something more sinister?
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That's why there was such a huge revamp in 2005 ? Cause it seemed to be intended to create more competition and stop Ferrari from winning in 2005 again.

The whole thing is a joke: Either a complete ban of the team or nothing.
 
Wait, something I'd like to know.
If the next race finished as a Mclaren 1-2, they can't score the constructors points. What happens to them? Are they passed down to the next runners or just discarded?
 
Xon said:
That's why there was such a huge revamp in 2005 ? Cause it seemed to be intended to create more competition and stop Ferrari from winning in 2005 again.

The whole thing is a joke: Either a complete ban of the team or nothing.
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The move over to a sole tyre supplier was supposed to happen in '08, but after the FIA basically told Micheln, and Michelin are in it for the sport, they decided to pull out one year early - doing just enough to win the Championships on their last year. Hence the tyre rules were brought forward a year.

As it stand I don't think the FIA have proved anything apart from their Bias against any other team Except Ferrari. Last year it was Renault, year before it was Michelin(in a bid to slow all the Michelin shod cars down) - always to the benefit of Ferrari - funny that.
 
I'm confused: how is being told things about another maufacturers car cheating? Fair enough stealing the information, but being told it by someone surely isnt a crime?
and another point, all the other teams use maclaren electrics in their cars if i remember correctly due to some patent, funny if maclaren pulled their rights to use it :D
 
hominid said:
The move over to a sole tyre supplier was supposed to happen in '08, but after the FIA basically told Micheln, and Michelin are in it for the sport, they decided to pull out one year early - doing just enough to win the Championships on their last year. Hence the tyre rules were brought forward a year.

As it stand I don't think the FIA have proved anything apart from their Bias against any other team Except Ferrari. Last year it was Renault, year before it was Michelin(in a bid to slow all the Michelin shod cars down) - always to the benefit of Ferrari - funny that.
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Thats why after 2004 Bernie said himself that the rules were being changed to stop Ferrari winning the Championships?

As usual its all Ferraris fault:rolleyes:
 
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