spec me a nice mobo for a c2d for o/cing

mk17 · 11 Sep 2007 at 22:56

abit forum link

post #20 sounds odd to me, something about disconnecting psu (or not) while flashing/updating? I can't work it out, seems like it may not be perfect, maybe try clearing cmos?

BUFF · 11 Sep 2007 at 23:29

If you have disconnected the system from power (i.e. you didn't leave it with 5V standby power) then the first boot after reconnecting the power it will double boot. Thereafter it won't as long as you don't switch the power off totally again.
This appears to be absolutely the same as e.g. Asus P35 mobos.

WJA96 · 12 Sep 2007 at 06:38

BUFF said:
This appears to be absolutely the same as e.g. Asus P35 mobos.

And yet, the IP35-Pro doesn't do it :confused:

And my P5K-E doesn't do it. The P35-DS4 doesn't do it either.

Whatever the reason, the double boot doesn't look like it's quite fixed yet, so I wouldn't buy one, or recommend anyone else buys one.

Abit make probably the two best overclocking motherboards available for the Core Processor - the AB9-QuadGT and the IP35-Pro - but Abit need to take care they don't get the same reputation as DFI - fabulous for overclocking, but fragile and buggy.

WJA96 · 12 Sep 2007 at 06:42

BUFF said:
There is something very wrong with that review or the IP35-E sample that they had - the IP35-E is identical to the IP35 bar ICH9/ICH9R, firewire & different (not necessarily better just different) cooling. 500fsb with a dual shouldn't be a problem.
The Pro probably does a bit better with a quad than the other 2 , maybe 20fsb better but again I've seen reports of people getting ~500fsb with an -E & a quad?

Maybe we should start demanding screenies for these claims?

[Gets his Easyrider's Big Book of Guaranteed Stable Overclocking out]

BUFF · 12 Sep 2007 at 06:47

WJA96 said:
And yet, the IP35-Pro doesn't do it

The Pro doesn't do it because something to do with uGuru interferes with/takes over the process that normally causes it.

And my P5K-E doesn't do it. The P35-DS4 doesn't do it either.

There are plenty of posts with Asus or Gigabyte P35s double booting & some specifically mentioning it only happening on the 1st boot after a complete power interruption (e.g. switching PSU off totally).

WJA96 said:
Maybe we should start demanding screenies for these claims?

several of the ones that I've seen did have screenies.

WJA96 · 12 Sep 2007 at 06:52

BUFF said:
The Pro doesn't do it because something to do with uGuru interferes with/takes over the process that normally causes it.

Then I would suggest Abit need to fix it in the others, smartish.

BUFF said:
There are plenty of posts with Asus or Gigabyte P35s double booting & some specifically mentioning it only happening on the 1st boot after a complete power interruption (e.g. switching PSU off totally).

I only said mine don't do it. And it's not a very fruitful line to follow anyway - buy our double-booting board because the others are no better?

Anyway - to get back to my original point - the 650i Ultra definitely doesn't do it.

WJA96 · 12 Sep 2007 at 06:53

BUFF said:
several of the ones that I've seen did have screenies.

Stable screenies?

BUFF · 12 Sep 2007 at 06:58

WJA96 said:
Then I would suggest Abit need to fix it in the others, smartish.

& to fix it in the same way would involve fitting uGuru to them all (something that I wouldn't object to anyway) because it's something to do with how uGuru fundamentally handles the CPU etc.

And it's not a very fruitful line to follow anyway - buy our double-booting board because the others are no better?

Sometimes there are lowest common denominators with every board based on a particular chipset - the double boot appears to be an inherent characteristic of the chipset that's normally covered by some clever BIOS work but doesn't take too much to be revealed.

stable screenies

who knows if we weren't there ...
& then of course 1 person's stable may not be another's (personally I can't be bothered running prime for 24+ hours).

EDC · 14 Sep 2007 at 12:47

mk17 said:
abit forum link

post #20 sounds odd to me, something about disconnecting psu (or not) while flashing/updating? I can't work it out, seems like it may not be perfect, maybe try clearing cmos?

Even with the new beta BIOS you'll still get a double-boot if you clear CMOS, or Power-off from the mains, or alter memory settings in BIOS. Which makes me think this board was designed to double-boot.

EDC · 14 Sep 2007 at 13:28

WJA96 said:
It might get the best overclocks, but it's very limited in terms of functionality, and actually, for dual cores (not Quads) the P35 boards are very little better than the P965's they replaced, and the NVidia chipset has the huge advantage that the RAM can be run independently of the CPU speed.

And while I take your point about £65, if you apply the same process to the EVGA board, it can be had for £52 or even less as the XFX equivalent. And it has RAID, Firewire etc. as well.

Evga nForce 650i Ultras may run RAM independently of the CPU but then they limit the RAM voltages to 2.1v which is no good for me running Crucial Ballistix. Sure, I could run Ballistix in a 650i, but if I wanted to push the memory speed up , or run tight timings I'm stuffed because 2.1v won't do it. Reminds me of Asrock, great value boards with rubbish voltages!
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BigglesPiP · 14 Sep 2007 at 13:58

It's a good board, I had a choice between that and the DFI Infinity P965-S Dark, I went for the DFI.

JamesM · 14 Sep 2007 at 16:00

Ive never had a problem with my DS3 rev 1.0

E4300 at 3.1GHz stable for the past 3 months

BUFF · 14 Sep 2007 at 18:39

EDC said:
Even with the new beta BIOS you'll still get a double-boot if you clear CMOS, or Power-off from the mains, or alter memory settings in BIOS. Which makes me think this board was designed to double-boot.

it's an inherent characteristic of the chipset - there are plenty of people whose Asus, Gigabyte etc. 965/P35/G33 mobos double boot too.

EDC · 14 Sep 2007 at 20:51

I know, I have an Asus board that double-boots, it doesn't bother me. The point I was making was in reply to a comment that the double boot had been fixed with a BIOS update ... it has not been fixed because under certain conditions the Abit IP35-E will still double boot. I hear people bleating on about double-boot like it's the end of the world, it's really no big deal.

BigglesPiP · 15 Sep 2007 at 02:14

BigglesPiP said:
It's a good board, I had a choice between that and the DFI Infinity P965-S Dark, I went for the DFI.

LMAO, scratch that, when I bought mine it was £58.74 (the lowest I saw it go), a serious competitor to the EVGA nForce 650i Ultra.

Now it costs £103.39. Boy am I smug right now, that's almost half price.