Best sites for getting feedback?

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I recently registered on Photo.net, and while it's not too bad, I really would like feedback on photos I submit for critique, and I am getting very little of it on that site.

I want people to tell me if my photos suck or not, but also to give me pointers on how to improve.

Ideas?
 
This is an area I find quite difficult as many many sites will offer a pat on the back even if the photo really needs improving - a pet hate of mine. I actually find Flickr the worst for it, I don't think I've ever seen a negative or helpful comment when I've been browsing.

Talkphotography & ThePhotoForum can be ok, I think you just need to make sure whatever you post and wherever you post it that you point out you want HONEST critques. Once place I do use which does give that on a regular basis is nfolio.net so it might be worth checking that out as well.
 
You suck ffallic!! There you go :D

Seriously, try what silverpengin suggests. Talkphotography has lots of sub forums including an 'in depth critique' which says "To recieve in-depth analysis and more detailed critique for your images. Note : Please be mindful if you do not like honest constructive criticism"
Should get something there.
 
fraid they dont. This forum suffer from the being nice syndrome, or not having enough knowledge to properly critique photos, remember technically good isnt always good.
I could rip to piece most of he shots on here for one reason or another, but why should i get the flack from bitter people who cant take criticism, even if it is in the nicest way possible, followed by next 10 forumites agreeing with the OP because they dont have the knowledge to back it up and feel the same applies to them..

And dont get me started on the auto level PS crew, this forum is onl a subsection of a computer forum, it lacks knowledge you cant find in a book called digital phoography for beginners.
 
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I've found feedback on this forum to be very useful, I'm aware there are varying abilities here but everyone's opinion counts. I also like it when people are honest, it's the only way you'll improve as an individual anyway and I just remember it's only one persons opinion!
 
I've found feedback on this forum to be very useful, I'm aware there are varying abilities here but everyone's opinion counts. I also like it when people are honest, it's the only way you'll improve as an individual anyway and I just remember it's only one persons opinion!

what if there opinion is unfounded and wrong? Is that helpfull!
 
Of course it can. In my opinion a black board is white. :rolleyes:

But that's not an opinion as the colour of a black board is not a subjective issue. It can be empirically measured and its colour can be determined.

The quality of a photo cannot be measured in such a way. It is a subjective judgement and thus it cannot not be wrong and it cannot be right. It's just someones view.
 
what if there opinion is unfounded and wrong? Is that helpfull!

Who are you to say an opinion is unfounded and wrong? An opinion is an opinon, no matter who it comes from. I very much welcome opinions and thoughts from any skill level/knowledge level on my photos. So by your reasoning, should only people who have been to uni and talked to 'clever' people comment on photos? Your really could do with crawling back down from that black hole of yours. (In my opinion of course)
 
The problem is. How do you react from critic?

"Its nice, just needs cropping a little and boost the contrast"

"I think the perspetive is all wrong and your shot lacks full depth of field where it is required. This is going to pretty much bin the shot since you cant do much about that.
The green hue wants tweaking also so that the natural grass can look more punchy and give a better contrast on the sky.
Several objects need to be cloned out but really you should just compose so you don't need to clone out.
Other than that your exposure is off by a bit"

I find that comments like the 1st is just a cop out and someone reading the 2nd will just be more offended than feeling assisted.

For someone wanting proper feedback, Who do you trust? Is 20/20 users on any forum going to give you an agreed response.

If you are someone who can't take critic then you want to just look at images that are printed in magazines and are already praised and just try to duplicate those.
 
fraid they dont. This forum suffer from the being nice syndrome, or not having enough knowledge to properly critique photos, remember technically good isnt always good.
I could rip to piece most of he shots on here for one reason or another, but why should i get the flack from bitter people who cant take criticism, even if it is in the nicest way possible, followed by next 10 forumites agreeing with the OP because they dont have the knowledge to back it up and feel the same applies to them..

And dont get me started on the auto level PS crew, this forum is onl a subsection of a computer forum, it lacks knowledge you cant find in a book called digital phoography for beginners.

ChroniC, do you have any examples of your work available to view? I've seen you make posts similar to this a few times, yet have never seen anything of your own. Please note I'm not trying to make a point or pick a fight here, I just find it hard to know how to respond to posts like yours without some background on what makes you so quick to disregard other's viewpoints.

Having said that I do agree with some of what you say, but only to a point.
 
For someone wanting proper feedback, Who do you trust? Is 20/20 users on any forum going to give you an agreed response.

I don't rely on the opinion of a single person or group. Ultimately its my opionion that counts on my work, however I take onboard all comments. Everyone might say; "The sky is too blue", and while I might disagree (And therefore am unlikely to change it) those comments would be appreciated, taken onboard and considered for future work. But ultimately everyone has an opinion, but it is the photographers opinion that is ultimately right as it is his/her shot.
 
ChroniC, do you have any examples of your work available to view? I've seen you make posts similar to this a few times, yet have never seen anything of your own. Please note I'm not trying to make a point or pick a fight here, I just find it hard to know how to respond to posts like yours without some background on what makes you so quick to disregard other's viewpoints.

Having said that I do agree with some of what you say, but only to a point.

I dont post for my own reasons, my work isnt what you'd call orthodox, and i dont feel it would be understood. It requires folders of background research to fully appreciate because its not designed to be just posted on a forum, it designed to get me firsts :D
But of course the fundementals still apply, i work a lot in the philosphy of art too, il give you 2 photos so as to explain myself. I dont have a massive catalogue as i work mostly in with my slr, or medium format, only just got a 400d recently.
I dont disregard viewpoints, dont get me wrong. However i just feel comments made on here are one sided, towards the technical, not the philosophical. I appreciate what a picture means as much as how it looks, and the technical side once mastered needs to be reinforced by the representation side, its better to start thinking like this from the beginning.

ocuk.jpg

Photo taken in paris, to you a standard picture of a street seller. In actual fact it represents the works of a man named Eugene Atget.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=eugene atget&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

A few projects ago, i did a representational autobiography, using gregory crewdson, amongst others as influences. On the course i do, its not about what you take, its about why. Which is something i dont expect the forum to ask.
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Using Messiah as an example, of how i work.
I love his macro shots, everyone does there good. Technically perfect, ok! But one day he put up a shot of a field of poppies. It was dark moody, and slightly under exposed. Everyone said, its ok needs adjust etc etc, auto levels crew arrived etc etc.
I personally sat on the other side of hedge thinking it was much better than anything he'd posted before because unknowing or not, it worked. It worked because it looked like a field in europe, poppies growing near a path that any soldier could have walked down/died in, the moody sky working in its favour to represent the solem dark times. It made me feel something that was not initially apparent, the war.
It made me think.

Who are you to say an opinion is unfounded and wrong? An opinion is an opinon, no matter who it comes from. I very much welcome opinions and thoughts from any skill level/knowledge level on my photos. So by your reasoning, should only people who have been to uni and talked to 'clever' people comment on photos? Your really could do with crawling back down from that black hole of yours. (In my opinion of course)

Forgive me, its very hard for me to get my point across on paper without someone getting upset, because i always say exactly how i feel, and it doesnt translate well in text, i did say "what if". Anyone can have a comment/opinion, thats their given right, but what is an opinion worth if its based on nothing. Take for example that website which posted all those famous photos and they got slated for being rubbish, and need cropping etc etc, each in there own right being worth hundreds of thousands of pounds each.
I dont think you have to have gone to uni, but i will respect you more if you can present knowledge in a way that shows you have learnt more, and gained a greater understanding through research and personal gain, this will be present in your posting. I find that most post on this forum stop at a certain degree of this, which is why i dont post as like i said in my first post i would, and am as such getting slated for it. High horse, black hole, whatever.
 
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But that's not an opinion as the colour of a black board is not a subjective issue. It can be empirically measured and its colour can be determined.

The quality of a photo cannot be measured in such a way. It is a subjective judgement and thus it cannot not be wrong and it cannot be right. It's just someones view.

I disagree and am as such writing a large dissertation on it. I think there are only a few things that are subjective and they the majority of works of art can be quanitfied into measurable sums, of which your brain is very much unaware of, which creates the basis for the rules of third.
Unfortunately i am in the minority by thinking this, the way art is actually assesed is similar to this forum, and in a way that would annoy Messiah Khan. People create, and a faction of knowledgeable people in critique and artistic circles assess it as a piece. It does not matter what it is as long as you submit it for evaluation. I dont think this is right, but thats the way it is and thats the way its done. Leading to creating crap like tracey emnis, and frankly anyone who works with conceptual art.
 
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This is an area I find quite difficult as many many sites will offer a pat on the back even if the photo really needs improving - a pet hate of mine.

There's nothing more I hate than this. I deliberately posted some VERY average shots a while ago on another site, just to see what was said. I know peoples opinions differ, but this shot I posted was "okay" and could even be described as a snapshot. The damn thing got rave reviews and people PMd me praise.

I was so far beyond angry, I was stunned.

Still, the best place to take your work is a camera club. Posting here isn't bad, but you do get people liking some poor shots, although this hasn't happened much as of late (generally as we've been spoiled by some decent shots recently :) ).

So, here, iphoto, photograpy on the net, the Canon/Nikon forums.
 
I dont disregard viewpoints, dont get me wrong. However i just feel comments made on here are one sided, towards the technical, not the philosophical. I appreciate what a picture means as much as how it looks, and the technical side once mastered needs to be reinforced by the representation side, its better to start thinking like this from the beginning.

Ah, now I get you. You're far more on the art side than purely the photographic. It makes sense now.

That's fine, there's nothing wrong with how you view photography. I had a girlfriend who did a fine art degree and I know how you are encouraged to think and work and analyse.
However, with some of the people here, me included, sometimes you see a picture and just like it. You don't need to back up why you like it with backgroud reading and philosophical reasoning
 
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