226BW and 226 CW

[div0]

There is no conspiracy it's just to the average user they probably will not mind or even notice any difference and after all nobody forces people to buy this model you read up and make your choice.
I would in fact too say most people will be happy with this screen when they buy it it's just that i wasn't and am entitled to say why and air my opinion having owned one at least.

I completely agree with this.

People will fall into 2 groups:

* those who will be entirely happy with any of the panels

and

*those who for one reason or another, want a specific panel (whether they will notice a difference or not is open to opinion)

If you fall into the second group then you just need to look at other options. The vast majority of people who are considering the 226BW will fall into the first group and will be entirely happy. What gets tiresome is the few people in the second group making it into a much bigger deal than it is. Sure it would be nice if every screen was identical, but we know they're not. If that bothers you, then don't buy this particular screen. Anyone who's gonig to be affected by the differences will have done their research and know about it, so there really is no big deal.

PS: shame you couldn't have compared the viewing angles to an A or S panel - just to see what your thoughts were on those. As, although you state the viewing angles were worse than the Acer, it doesn't really prove anything in terms of the panel 'lottery'.

 

[Amnesia]

So these thousands of people are no doubt very happy at Samsung chosing not to stick to one panel type.

The early 'comparisons' between panels that started a lot of the hype about the so called lottery were done by people without a clue. We're talking some seriously flawed testing.

The conspiracy theory I was referring to was the one Randal brought up by suggesting that Samsung had deliberately supplied review sites with S panels and then given 'inferior' panels to the general public.

sorry i didnt know there was a survery done of thousands of 226bw owners and they were all very happy.

also these clueless idiots (public) why the hell are they moaning...<<< i guess them lot weren't part of your survey.

 

[div0]

sorry i didnt know there was a survery done of thousands of 226bw owners and they were all very happy.

lol - you don't need a survey to see that the 226BW has been an incredibly popular monitor.

Who said they were all happy?

I just said that there was no doubt that thousands of people were happy to be getting a screen which they wouldn't have been able to buy (due to a lack of supply) if A and C panels hadn't been introduced.

also these clueless idiots (public) why the hell are they moaning...<<< i guess them lot weren't part of your survey.

Don't generalise. The cluseless idiots I referred to were clearly specific individuals who's reviews were not at all scientific.

Nice attempt at trolling though

 

[randal]

Sounds like we need a poll

 

[Amnesia]

lol - you don't need a survey to see that the 226BW has been an incredibly popular monitor.

Who said they were all happy?

I just said that there was no doubt that thousands of people were happy to be getting a screen which they wouldn't have been able to buy (due to a lack of supply) if A and C panels hadn't been introduced.



Don't generalise. The cluseless idiots I referred to were clearly specific individuals who's reviews were not at all scientific.

Nice attempt at trolling though

ofcourse the monitor was popular it got raving reviews on pretty much all the sites but does that mean that thousands are happy that they didnt receive the same model that was reviewed ? i dont understand your logic

troll = someone who doesnt agree with your post.

btw why do you need scientific reviews what ever they are(again you lost me) arent owners reviews good enough for you ? the ppl who posted on the internet and showed how bad some of their monitors are...thats not good enough for you ?

im not saying that all a/c panels are bad...lots of ppl are happy with them but i dont believe they are built to as high a standard as the samsung panels otherwise all the moans and groans wouldnt have been about those particular panels.

also the main site that covered this particular issue (behardware) admitted that the panel they were supplied with at the review was of a higher standard and the user panel(a panel) wasnt calibrated as good...aot of blue dominance.
now pretty much everywhere i have read ...the a/c panels can be calibrated almost as good as a samsung panel....and you have posted that thousands of these owners are happy that they didnt get the samsung panel...why would they be happy that the panel they received isnt calibrated as good?

now im very happy with my S panel ..... there is minimal back light bleed...its barely noticable...viewing angles arent even a problem unless you look from below...zero dead pixels...colours are as good my crt but it looks a lot better. no ghosting what so ever.
i dont believe the rest of the public is spewing crap when they say that their panel is a let down when i can clearly see the S panel is amazing. also my monitor looks nothing like so many of these bad pictures i have seen

 

[div0]

troll = someone who doesnt agree with your post.[

I suggest you google the term 'troll', or maybe 'forum troll'

btw why do you need scientific reviews what ever they are(again you lost me) arent owners reviews good enough for you ? the ppl who posted on the internet and showed how bad some of their monitors are...thats not good enough for you ?

Ok, I'll keep it simple for you.

In the early reviews there were some people trying to claim that A panels weren't as good as S panels. However, they were posting pics of the images on the 2 screens for comparison, when the screens were attached to completely different hardware. You can't compare two pics that are taken at totally different res, using a totally different graphics card and also not even post the settings that you used and expect to draw any useful conclusions.

I could take an S panel and attach it to my old rig and whack up the gamma/brightness and then compare it to an A panel on my new rig with properly tweaked settings.

Which do you think would come out as the 'better' screen in that particular user review??

I'm not saying that people were deliberately giving out bad information. Just that too many people don't know how to do a useful comparison and so a lot of the early reviews that started the fuss were just poorly done and didn't provide any scientific comparisons.

im not saying that all a/c panels are bad...lots of ppl are happy with them but i dont believe they are built to as high a standard as the samsung panels otherwise all the moans and groans wouldnt have been about those particular panels.

Most of the moans and groans are from people who have never experienced any of the panels directly.

Even if the A and C panels are 'inferior' - who's to say they won't still provide an excellent screen?

Some people have got far too caught up on the fact that they are 'inferior' and have lost sight of how good the 226BW is, no matter what panel you get. That's my whole point!

also the main site that covered this particular issue (behardware) admitted that the panel they were supplied with at the review was of a higher standard and the user panel(a panel) wasnt calibrated as good...aot of blue dominance.

That could be corrected through correct calibration? If so, isn't that what I've been saying.

now pretty much everywhere i have read ...the a/c panels can be calibrated almost as good as a samsung panel....and you have posted that thousands of these owners are happy that they didnt get the samsung panel...why would they be happy that the panel they received isnt calibrated as good?

Please spend a bit more time reading my posts - it might help you to understand

What I was saying is:

If Samsung hadn't released A and C panels there would have been a huge shortage of supply. This would have meant that thousands of people who currently have an A or a C panel, almost certainly woulnd't have been able to get hold of a 226BW at all!

Of the thousands of people with A and C panels - which of the following options do you think they would prefer?

* No 226BW at all.
* A 226BW with an A or a C panel.

I believe that there are thousands of people out there with A and C panels (I'm pretty sure that's a fair statement) and I believe that the vast majority of them would prefer to have that A or C panel rather than not have the monitor at all. Yes there may be one or two people who aren't happy with an A or C panel, but the vast majority will prefer their A/C panel to the option of not being able to buy the 226BW at all (due to shortage of availability).

now im very happy with my S panel ..... there is minimal back light bleed...its barely noticable...viewing angles arent even a problem unless you look from below...zero dead pixels...colours are as good my crt but it looks a lot better. no ghosting what so ever.
i dont believe the rest of the public is spewing crap when they say that their panel is a let down when i can clearly see the S panel is amazing. also my monitor looks nothing like so many of these bad pictures i have seen

So you like your S panel? How do you know you wouldn't be equally impressed with an A or a C panel?

What about the people who had problems with the A or C panels - how do you know they wouldn't have been equally disapointed with an S panel?

Some people are just fussier than others. Some screens (no matter what panel) just aren't as good as others. You can compare 2 'S' panels and one may be considerably better than the other.

All I'm saying is that the 226BW is a very good monitor. And most people will likely be very happy with it no matter what panel they get. If you are the sort of person who is worried about the difference in panels, then I'm sorry but the 226BW is just not for you. You should be considering something else.

 

[LEE929394]

I have the 'C' panel and am totally satisfied with it. It's a great monitor.
There is some backlight bleed at top and bottom but does not affect the picture quality too much.
Colours need adjusting, you can calibrate it without any special equipment, just use your eyes in most cases. If you use extreme settings there will be a horrible red/orange tinge to everything but can be resolved quite easily.
Hope this helps!

 

[Montegue]

If you use extreme settings there will be a horrible red/orange tinge to everything but can be resolved quite easily.
Hope this helps!

Hiya,

I have a C panel aswel and i also suffer from a pinkish/purpleish haze around bold fonts/letters. I'm not using any extreme settings other than lowering the brightness as default out the box. Any ideas on how to reduce or totally remove the pinkish/purpleish haze around the letters...? As surely that cannot be right..!

 

[Baddass]

I completely disagree. The hype about the panel lottery seems to have snowballed due to misinformation and a lot of people jumping on the proverbial bandwagon.

<snip the rest>

well said!!

 

[Baddass]

Nice conspiracy theory on the 'S' panels to reviewers and 'A' and 'C' to the public!! You sure its not more likely that (as we already know) all the early panels were 'S' panels and most reviewers like to get their hands on a screen as early as possible?

yes, that was the case. it wasnt really a case of sending a premium ver to reviewers and then supplying another ver to the public. Samsung panels were used initially, but due to high demand, they ran out of supply. So they switched to use other panels of similar spec and performance (as many manufacturers do!) and the other panels still conformed to the quoted spec and performance indicators of the SM226BW.

I certainly found loads of review sites that had done comparisons with different panel types. Their conclusions were usually that the S panel gave slightly better results out of the box, but that the other ones could still be configured to similar performance. Note that this doesn't mean that some S panels won't also need some manual tweaking for optimal performance.

that's the jist of it. These are the only places where the screens have properly been tested side by side, as I linked in my earlier post. It's an interesting topic for sure.

 

[LEE929394]

Hiya,

I have a C panel aswel and i also suffer from a pinkish/purpleish haze around bold fonts/letters. I'm not using any extreme settings other than lowering the brightness as default out the box. Any ideas on how to reduce or totally remove the pinkish/purpleish haze around the letters...? As surely that cannot be right..!

You can try the WIZIWYG calibrator program(it's free) or Adobe Gamma
if you have photoshop to adjust the colour. I recommend you create a new ICC profile just in case you want to revert back if things go wrong.
Alternatively your graphics card has some colour/display settings in its control panel.
Also microsofts cleartype(also free) may help fonts/letters to look clearer and less hazy. Use the link below, hope this helps!

http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/tuner/Step1.aspx

 

[bobert50]

I've had a 226bw ( CMO ) sat alongside a dell 2407wfp and i must say i agree with gibbo on the colours. Right out of the box mine didnt seem bad at all and after a play i wouldn't say the colours looked drastically different to the dell's. Of course one is a far more expensive piece of kit and that really does show but if your in the market for an LCD with a budget of around £200 then i feel the 226bw (any panel) is a great buy for most people.

The only problem I had with viewing angles full stop was when my head was positioned below the screen, when above mine seemed fine and left to right was perfect for me. This is definitely something people may want to bear in mind before buying one (how their desk is set up etc).

 

[Gibbo]

I've had a 226bw ( CMO ) sat alongside a dell 2407wfp and i must say i agree with gibbo on the colours. Right out of the box mine didnt seem bad at all and after a play i wouldn't say the colours looked drastically different to the dell's. Of course one is a far more expensive piece of kit and that really does show but if your in the market for an LCD with a budget of around £200 then i feel the 226bw (any panel) is a great buy for most people.

The only problem I had with viewing angles full stop was when my head was positioned below the screen, when above mine seemed fine and left to right was perfect for me. This is definitely something people may want to bear in mind before buying one (how their desk is set up etc).

Hi there

I checked this out because OcUK was getting far too many phone calls from customers asking us what panels our Samsungs had in them or if we could guarantee an S panel. The simple answer is that either is not possible due to the fact that you have to dissmantle the monitor to find out and thats some OcUK is not willing to do.

So I had a look at one of the sample panels we had (Samsung kitted our office out for free) so I pulled this apart. It was indeed a CMO panel.

On test rigs next to DELL 2407WFP, Asus MW221U and Acer AL2216W and a Hyundai W240D this Samsung 226BW with CMO panel had colours on par with the DELL and Hyundai when set to 50 brightness, 85 contrast and magic bright technology set to intelligent it looked stunning. Viewing angle wise the DELL was a lot better, but again the W240D, MW221U and AL2216W the Samsung was no worse and probably no better either. Fact is these Samsung 22" are one of the best if not the best available in the 22" range irrelevant if the panel it comes with. What was evident is the Samsung clearly had better colours over the Acer and Asus models and the Asus seem to have the worse viewing angles.

Simple fact is the 223BW on OcUK is a very good price, it absolutely whollops the likes of monitors from Cibox, Acer, Hyundai etc. that tend to cost about £20 less. Its unknown what panels 223BW have in them but it looks as good as the 226BW I tested and for the money is a bargain and well worth the extra £20 over the cheaper stuff and remember it is still DVI.

The main 226BW advantage is the 2ms response time compared to the 5ms on the 223BW. Now to me I find an 8ms monitor fine, but to hardcore gamers 2ms can be a must.

Fact is irrelevant of the panel the 226BW is an amazing monitor and one of the best 22" TN film based monitors available.

The viewing angle problems is found in all TN based panels and this is where the more expensive panels come out shining as they don't suffer anywhere near as bad, but do cost a lot more.

 

[Amnesia]

In the early reviews there were some people trying to claim that A panels weren't as good as S panels. However, they were posting pics of the images on the 2 screens for comparison, when the screens were attached to completely different hardware. You can't compare two pics that are taken at totally different res, using a totally different graphics card and also not even post the settings that you used and expect to draw any useful conclusions.

I could take an S panel and attach it to my old rig and whack up the gamma/brightness and then compare it to an A panel on my new rig with properly tweaked settings.

Which do you think would come out as the 'better' screen in that particular user review??

I'm not saying that people were deliberately giving out bad information. Just that too many people don't know how to do a useful comparison and so a lot of the early reviews that started the fuss were just poorly done and didn't provide any scientific comparisons.

we have obviously been reading different web pages...but i would have thought atleast behardware would know they need to use similar setups if not identical. clearly they are muppets as they were one of the first to do the comparisons and they didnt use the right hardware to do it(im going by what your saying). best not to trust idiots like them no more.

Most of the moans and groans are from people who have never experienced any of the panels directly.

ofcourse you would know that.

Even if the A and C panels are 'inferior' - who's to say they won't still provide an excellent screen?

did i say different ?

That could be corrected through correct calibration? If so, isn't that what I've been saying.

thats what i said in my previous post

Please spend a bit more time reading my posts - it might help you to understand

that should go for both of us then

What I was saying is:

If Samsung hadn't released A and C panels there would have been a huge shortage of supply. This would have meant that thousands of people who currently have an A or a C panel, almost certainly woulnd't have been able to get hold of a 226BW at all!

yeah i must have missed that in your first post what i replied to

Of the thousands of people with A and C panels - which of the following options do you think they would prefer?

* No 226BW at all.
* A 226BW with an A or a C panel.

I believe that there are thousands of people out there with A and C panels (I'm pretty sure that's a fair statement) and I believe that the vast majority of them would prefer to have that A or C panel rather than not have the monitor at all. Yes there may be one or two people who aren't happy with an A or C panel, but the vast majority will prefer their A/C panel to the option of not being able to buy the 226BW at all (due to shortage of availability).

thats actually quite funny lol

So you like your S panel? How do you know you wouldn't be equally impressed with an A or a C panel?

look nowhere in my post am i saying the a/c panels are crap....but if i pay for a samsung then i expect to get one...and thats the main point im trying to get across....also if the 226bw gets raving reviews for its colour accuracy then i get a cmo which i have to calibrate myself then no i wouldnt be happy. im not saying the cmo is crap but i would like what i pay for.

take a look at the guys who posted after you

I have the 'C' panel and am totally satisfied with it. It's a great monitor.
There is some backlight bleed at top and bottom but does not affect the picture quality too much.
Colours need adjusting, you can calibrate it without any special equipment, just use your eyes in most cases. If you use extreme settings there will be a horrible red/orange tinge to everything but can be resolved quite easily.
Hope this helps!

Hiya,

I have a C panel aswel and i also suffer from a pinkish/purpleish haze around bold fonts/letters. I'm not using any extreme settings other than lowering the brightness as default out the box. Any ideas on how to reduce or totally remove the pinkish/purpleish haze around the letters...? As surely that cannot be right..!

anyway enough from me about the subject.

 

[Baddass]

yeah let's call a close to the debate there shall we, we're going round in circles a bit now, both sides have put their view across.

 

[ademcg]

(Samsung kitted our office out for free)

Then I will take your biased comparisons with a large grasp of NaCl

 

[GhostlyPea]

Hmmm seems this simple question has started a bit of a debate over it...From what I can see I think poeple are over reacting to something which has been blown out of proportion. Looking at it this way, people are having to take off the back of thier monitor cases to check which panel type it is. If you have to do that then you cant be sure either way at the time. See its an S panel and youll think "ah it isnt so bad afterall", see its CMO and youll think "yeah i thought it looked dodgy". Even if there is a bit of a difference, many people have said that a bit of tinkering in the menu fixes most of the problems.

I'm not denying that S panels might be better, but really it will be like naything, youll get some betetr than others. I would even hazard a guess that theres a number of S panels out there that have been not to great, but because of the hype people havnt bothered to check the panel and assumed its a CMO etc.

In all honesty I think this is making a mountain out of a molehill mroe than its noticable.

- Pea0n

 

[div0]

yeah let's call a close to the debate there shall we, we're going round in circles a bit now, both sides have put their view across.

I agree

Its got to the point where most people seem to be making the same points, in different ways.

did i say different ?

I was just making sure that you understood the very basic point I'm making.

Even if the A or C panels are in some way 'inferior', to the 'S' panels, it doesn't mean they aren't still excellent screens, making the 226BW excellent value for money no matter what panel you get.

Some people (I'm not saying you specifically) who are arguing about the problem with the panel 'lottery' seem to have lost sight of this!! That is why me (and a few others) have been saying that this whole thing has 'been blown out of proprtion'.

I hope you completely understand the point I've been making now

thats what i said in my previous post

Yes, I know. I was just confirming that you were agreeing with my previous post!

yeah i must have missed that in your first post what i replied to

No problem, it can be hard to spot everything first time round in long threads/posts like these. That's why I suggested taking time to read the replies - otherwise things end up getting messy and arguments tend to go round and round in circles. A bit like what's started to happen

thats actually quite funny lol

I don't really get what you find funny. I certainly didn't mean for it to be funny

look nowhere in my post am i saying the a/c panels are crap....but if i pay for a samsung then i expect to get one...and thats the main point im trying to get across....also if the 226bw gets raving reviews for its colour accuracy then i get a cmo which i have to calibrate myself then no i wouldnt be happy. im not saying the cmo is crap but i would like what i pay for.

That's fine, you're perfectly entitled to be of that opinion.

My point is that:

* Samsung had to introduce other panel types in order to meet the high demand
* Yes, I agree it would have been nicer for everyone if Samsung could have met the demand with their own panels, but we all know they couldn't.
* I think that it's perfectly acceptable for Samsung to use alternative panels in order to meet demand. But I accept that other people will disagree on this.
* I understand that by using other panels, they inconvenience people like yourself (who for one reason or another feel they need a particular panel). But ultimately those people who want a specific panel probably just have to look at alternative screens. It's unfortunate, but it's just the price you pay for being that little bit fussier than the majority.

 

[LEE929394]

Hi there

I checked this out because OcUK was getting far too many phone calls from customers asking us what panels our Samsungs had in them or if we could guarantee an S panel. The simple answer is that either is not possible due to the fact that you have to dissmantle the monitor to find out and thats some OcUK is not willing to do.

So I had a look at one of the sample panels we had (Samsung kitted our office out for free) so I pulled this apart. It was indeed a CMO panel.

Seems a bit drastic pulling it apart! I used the hidden menu to check my panel.

'Set both contrast and brightness at zero, press the Menu button, then press and hold the Source button for 5 seconds. The screen will appear to show you the manufacturer and name of the panel.'

 

[Baddass]

they removed the panel listing on recent OSD firmwares though, Gibbo did realise about that im sure Samsung got rid of it because of this very panel lottery....