Car park paranoia

[TW]Fox;10189978 said:
It's the law.



A Parking Ticket is issued by your local council. The law allows for this - council officials are specifically named in that they can give you a ticket and, as the registered keeper of the vehicle, you are legally obliged to inform the council who was driving the vehicle.

Penalty Charge Notices have a specific place within law. It's therefore no co-incidence that many of these private 'invoices' are worded to appear similar, most will be called 'Parking Charge Notice' for example. This confuses people into think they are the same thing..



You need to be licensed to clamp vehicles, and the clamped motorist is payinhg the clamper for a service - ie, the removal of the clamp. No pay, no service..
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Just to make a small addition to this, part of the reason why non-council fines for 'parking offences' in private car parks are invalid is due to the fine being for a breach of the terms of the contract of using the car park, which in most places is not signed very well and not clearly visible and can't actually be agreed to before using said car park. hence if you can't agree to their terms they can't punish you for breaking them.
 
wez130 said:
Also, unless you drive something like a hummer, then every supermarket car park i've ever parked in has been adequate with space either side to comfortably get in and out of yet there's not enough space for anyone to squeeze a trolley past, therefore i have YET to get a bump in a car park on my car, and as i stated earlier in the thread i do take pride in my car, i've got over £300 worth of polishes and stuff to keep it looking good.
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I agree... if everybody parked in the middle of the space, which they don't. If people had some kind of spacial awareness and realised where the corners of their car are in relation to the ones around them, which many don't. And finally if people gave a stuff when they or their kids open the doors, again which many don't. I, like you have never banged anyones door. Even the times that I come back to find a car parked right up against mine I cup my hand over the egde of the door so to ensure I don't bang the car that parked inconsiderately.

Yet the ripples down the side of my previous car say that others DO open doors into your car. Hell I've been sat in my car twice when people have opened a door into it and whitnessed across a car park someone driving in to my car then driving off.

Your lucky that your car is damage free. My previous car however as well as many others I looked at when shopping for my latest have the signs of car park damage.

wez130 said:
Also, i've never caused any damage to anyone elses property nor would i, but i can assure you that there are people that do. and people who abuse disabled / P+C spaces deserve nothing less IMO. No excuse for it but lazyness.
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I'm sure there are people out there who damage a car because it doesn't fit the criteria for being in a P+C space. Then again there are people who key a car for no reason. Why is that? Because some people are ****'s.

Lazyness has nothing to do with it. Infact in all but one of the places I park in regularly I park in the furthest extent of the car park. I'm fit (relatively speaking)and health, a couple of minutes walk is well worth it to ensure my car doesn't get whacked.
 
[TW]Fox;10189978 said:
It's the law.
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What, you read the law in it's entirety? ;)

No, what I mean is where did you get the information from regarding this laws surrounding private companies issuing fines? A link to it or anything? :)

ethos said:
Blah blah blah, that's what I see when you post.
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Wow, inconsiderate AND immature. You've really got it going on haven't you? :)
 
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lordrobs said:
Lazyness has nothing to do with it. Infact in all but one of the places I park in regularly I park in the furthest extent of the car park. I'm fit (relatively speaking)and health, a couple of minutes walk is well worth it to ensure my car doesn't get whacked.
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He's right, the P&C spaces go almost right to the edge of the car park. I cant say I blame him for doing so, its not like the spaces are regularly in use there is always 2/3 P&C spaces free. The standard of driving I see at said Tesco store is horrific, people just seem so unaware of what is going on around them. Even our home shopping drivers skills leave a lot to be desired (yes they do hit customers cars). TBH he isnt doing any harm parking in the P&C spaces, im sure more of you would be annoyed if you came across him parked across 2 spaces.
 
at the end of the day, it's a vicious circle, you get drivers who couldn't care less where they park so park in P+C / Disabled places therefore forcing people with young kids to park in a normal place (when i do this i find somewhere near the back if there are no P+C where there's less chance of someone parking next to me), then struggling to get the baby seat out the back of the car (if parking next to nothing isn't an option) or struggling to put baby seat back in the car and risking even more than usual damage to the car next to you as you manouvre the baby seat with 2 hands into the car with no control over the door as you have no hands free, all because some pillock thinks he has the god given right to park where he wishes. I also can't wait for people who disagree with me to have kids of their own and have to put up with the utter ignorance of theiir remarks in this thread, it's not nice, sure the P+C are a privilege, but a privilege to families with young chilfren, not to park your car to protect from scratches etc.
 
Pete19s said:
He's right, the P&C spaces go almost right to the edge of the car park. I cant say I blame him for doing so, its not like the spaces are regularly in use there is always 2/3 P&C spaces free. The standard of driving I see at said Tesco store is horrific, people just seem so unaware of what is going on around them. Even our home shopping drivers skills leave a lot to be desired (yes they do hit customers cars). TBH he isnt doing any harm parking in the P&C spaces, im sure more of you would be annoyed if you came across him parked across 2 spaces.
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You work at Harford bridge then mate? My gf used to work there a couple of years ago. She's as bad as me when it comes to parking but 11:00 to 20:00 everyday, 5 days a week took its toll on her Polo. One day she came back to find a trolley embedded in it :(
 
lordrobs said:
You work at Harford bridge then mate? My gf used to work there a couple of years ago. She's as bad as me when it comes to parking but 11:00 to 20:00 everyday, 5 days a week took its toll on her Polo. One day she came back to find a trolley embedded in it :(
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I assume the trolley was embedded in the rear or the front of the car, or there weren't a car parked next to hers as if she was parked in a normal space with a car parked next to her either side then a trolley wouldn't fit down the side of the car. And your argument seems to suggest that had she parked in a P+C or disabled space, then the trolley wouldn't have been embedded? Please explain/
 
wez130 said:
I assume the trolley was embedded in the rear or the front of the car, or there weren't a car parked next to hers as if she was parked in a normal space with a car parked next to her either side then a trolley wouldn't fit down the side of the car. And your argument seems to suggest that had she parked in a P+C or disabled space, then the trolley wouldn't have been embedded? Please explain/
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No, if at all possible she used to park next to a curb, as close as she possibly could which meant that A) she left as much space as she could on the other side for people to open their doors and B) only one side of her car was at risk from getting hit. Unfortunately this backfired when someone decided they had to leave their trolley on said curb in heavy winds and it ended up rolling into her car.

She parked in a P+C space once at christmas after spending 20 minutes trying to get a space. The only ones left were P+C or disabled. She parked in a P+C, a customer clocked that there was no baby seat and complained :rolleyes:
 
What a lovely customer eh.

I'm the same regarding parking as you lordBrobs, after having mine for a week or two it had been dinked twice, recently noticed one on off-side passenger door... you can go mad if you keep worrying about it! When I first got it, took the mother to nans, parked on narrow road, spent over half the time at the window, cringing as idiots drove past (everyone looks like an idiot to me :D ). Then some evil little swear-word kids start playing 'golf' on the green... we left shortly after! (Cars have been hit by the...naughty children)
 
[TW]Fox;10191732 said:
Section 112 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 dictates who a driver is legally obligated to reveal drivers details to. Private individuals are not mentioned.

This is also useful:

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.u.../65341-private-parking-companies-charges.html
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Very interesting, thanks for the link :)

From reading through it then, it seems that the fines are actually enforceable, but only if there are appropriate clear signs up, and that the company can prove who was driving. I must say though that the whole defence given against tickets issued for misusing carparking facilities is pretty pathetic, and akin to the whiners that get caught speeding and then try all sorts of loopholes to get out of paying. You don't want to pay a £60 fine? Adhere to the rules. You don't want to adhere to them? Fine, but be a man and accept the fact that you may get given a fine for abusing them.
 
In this country, though, rules are made by the state not whoever owns the land. You might not like this, and in certain circumstances I agree it's not quite fair, but thats how it works.

A £60 fine for spoiling a supermarkets marketing schemes is way OTT.

It's double the fine you get for parking in a disabled pay in a council carpark, for example. P&C spaces are an answer to a problem the supermarkets created, and good advertising. Nothing more.
 
With regards to supermarkets if people actually could be bothered to put their trolleys away in the trolley bays then this would help considerably. Its a pet hate of mine seeing abandoned trolleys mere yards from a trolley park. In high winds last week I saw several bash against parked cars causing dents and scratches.

Aint ever gonna happen to my car though coz chav trolley abandoners don't park in the furthest corner of the car park where I do. If they are too lazy to put their troley away they are too lazy to park 250 yards from the store front !
 
[TW]Fox;10194039 said:
In this country, though, rules are made by the state not whoever owns the land. You might not like this, and in certain circumstances I agree it's not quite fair, but thats how it works.

A £60 fine for spoiling a supermarkets marketing schemes is way OTT.

It's double the fine you get for parking in a disabled pay in a council carpark, for example. P&C spaces are an answer to a problem the supermarkets created, and good advertising. Nothing more.
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Whoever owns the land can make the rules regarding the use of it though, and the penalties for the misuse of it. Despite whether you think £60 is too much or not, it's the landowners prerogative to charge that if you misuse their land. Anyway, the only reason this large fine has appeared is so that it will work as a deterrent. One that wouldn't have been necessary had people respected the rules and not been inconsiderate ****s.

I assume the problem you're saying that the supermarkets created is that the spaces are too small? If so I disagree. Locally at least, the spaces in the supermarket carparks are no different in size to the spaces in all the other carparks whether they be council, church or whatever.
 
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Trojan said:
I assume the problem you're saying that the supermarkets created is that the spaces are too small? If so I disagree. The spaces in the supermarket carparks are no different in size to the spaces in all the other carparks whether they be council, church or whatever.
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Bit of a sweeping statement isn't it?

When they re did the parking spaces at my local Tesco the spaces shrunk noticabley. Possibly to try and counteract the lost spaces due to the row of P+C spaces they put in.

With regards to supermarkets if people actually could be bothered to put their trolleys away in the trolley bays then this would help considerably. Its a pet hate of mine seeing abandoned trolleys mere yards from a trolley park. In high winds last week I saw several bash against parked cars causing dents and scratches.

Aint ever gonna happen to my car though coz chav trolley abandoners don't park in the furthest corner of the car park where I do. If they are too lazy to put their troley away they are too lazy to park 250 yards from the store front !
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I completely agree and its one of the things I like about Morrisons. Every trolley has a pound coin release on it and there its once in a blue moon that you see a stray trolley in the car park.

One of my dads business partners has to be the unluckiest person in the world with his new cars. He parked WAAAY out of the way in Asda, and I mean overkill out of the way. Problem is the car park has a slight slope to it... I'm sure you can guess what happened :( Then again he bought a brand new A-class and within three weeks someone stuck a screw driver (or similar object) into the roof :eek:
 
Trojan said:
Whoever owns the land can make the rules regarding the use of it though, and the penalties for the misuse of it. Despite whether you think £60 is too much or not, it's the landowners prerogative to charge that if you misuse their land.
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Except it isn't - the fact a case of nonpayment of a civil parking fine has never been won by a parking company in a court of law speaks volumes here. You cannot simply set a fine to whatever you want and then hand it out to all and sundry for breaking whatever rules you've decided on for your private car park. Well, you can, but expecting people to pay it is another matter entirely.

Anyway, the only reason this large fine has appeared is so that it will work as a deterrent. One that wouldn't have been necessary had people respected the rules and not been inconsiderate ****s.
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However, and I'm playing devils advocate here becuase I don't really give a stuff, I'm in an out of a supermarket in 5 minutes tops and I park the other end of the carpark, why should only parents be able to have wider spaces? Other people clearly feel they have a need to have wider spaces as well.

Being a parent is not like being disabled. It is a lifestyle choice. Disabilities are most certainly not. As a result, we should afford disabled people all the protection and priority spaces under law as we can. As for parents, just becuase you've chosen to have children shouldn't suddenly mean you should have more rights over carparking spaces than someone who has chosen to own a Ferrari he'd really rather wasn't trashed whilst he went in for some beans.

I have no problem with wide access spaces for parents - but give them to everyone, not just parents.
 
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