Whos ditching 8800 for new rev?

CyZMyAssBaby · 15 Oct 2007 at 18:58

Tom|Nbk said:
There is?

Where has this been stated?

We knew that Nvidia was planning to kill the 8800GTS 320MB in order to make room for the 65nm die-shrink that the world has come to know as G92.

But it turns out that you cannot order 320MB versions any more either, since it is being pronounced as an EOL (End of Life) product.

Next in line to go through a change is the 8800GTS 640MB, which is being tweaked up in order to live through the 512MB and 256MB versions of G92.

Nvidia decided to raise the specs by another 16 scalar shader units, so the 8800GTS will now feature 112 scalar shaders, 16 less than 8800GTX/Ultra. Clockspeeds remain the same, as do thermal and other specs.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/05/nvidia-kills-8800gts-320mb
<accessed 15 October 2007>

easyrider · 15 Oct 2007 at 19:00

I don't really see what people dont get here.

NV are bringing out a card with more SP's for the same price as current 8800's

Who doesn't want more power for their money?

Thats why WJA96's post makes no sense.

He will hold onto his 8800 GTS but will glady swap out B3 quad for a G0 when this offers no actual performance gains.

What contradiction imo.

jaykay · 15 Oct 2007 at 19:15

Most people will sell thier 8800GTS at a lost. May only be small but the extra performance is so small theres not much point.
People would rather wait till theres more of an increase in speed to justify the upgrade.

dunker · 15 Oct 2007 at 19:17

nah very happy with my 8800gts oc

CyZMyAssBaby · 15 Oct 2007 at 19:28

easyrider said:
I don't really see what people dont get here.

NV are bringing out a card with more stream processors for the same price as current 8800's

Who doesn't want more power for their money?

Thats why WJA96's post makes no sense.

He will hold onto his 8800 GTS but will glady swap out B3 quad for a G0 when this offers no actual performance gains.

What contradiction imo.

People have their own opinions just as you Easy. Regarding the B3 swap over the GO WJA96's most probably wanted better overclocking headroom. But to the point of you to state that you do not "see what people dont get here" is in my opinion somewhat rather over reactive to the post, hindering others views. Although i do understand your valid comment of "being in possesion of top end hardware". But it should also be taken into acount that the current cards users are using serve the individuals needs and purpose. I would also like to point out that there are many that are not in the financial posistion to continually keep pace with the market.

Until applications/ games appear on the market to utilise the full specification of the card is there a actually a valid point to purchase this new card? This example is clearly demonstrated in the quad core race. B3 to GO quite simply to attain overclocking head room. So therefore the "contradiction" has no relevence at all.

Whilst the new cards will challenge 8800s those that were not in a posistion to obtain a 8800 will be able to now gain one due to this new card. And so in conclusion there is no evidence to determine if upgrading is of benefit. Until the evidence is available is there any reason to upgrade? or is it a case of keeping up with the Jones's?

easyrider · 15 Oct 2007 at 19:44

CyZMyAssBaby said:
snip...

Whilst the new cards will challenge 8800s those that were not in a posistion to obtain a 8800 will be able to now gain one due to this new card. And so in conclusion there is no evidence to determine if upgrading is of benefit. Until the evidence is available is there any reason to upgrade? or is it a case of keeping up with the Jones's?

More SP's make the cards faster closing the gap to the GTX.

What dont you get about that?

By the way a real conclusion should never end with a question...

LoadsaMoney · 15 Oct 2007 at 22:54

C64 said:
I need to see cast iron benchmarks before making any decision there are many factors involved, such as, what if the 512mb gts is £260-£280 yet only say 10 fps better all comes down to price and performance gain.

The GTS wont have 512mb Ram, its got the same amount as the GTS out now, 640mb, just it will have 112sp instead of 96, its the GT that will be in 256/512mb variants as far as im aware.

easyrider · 15 Oct 2007 at 23:18

LoadsaMoney said:
The GTS wont have 512mb Ram, its got the same amount as the GTS out now, 640mb, just it will have 112sp instead of 96, its the GT that will be in 256/512mb variants as far as im aware.

The 8800 640mb will have to be the same price too.

Its a no brainer.

the 8800 GTS will be faster than previous gen to the increase in SP.

Tom|Nbk · 15 Oct 2007 at 23:25

easyrider said:
The 8800 640mb will have to be the same price too.

Its a no brainer.

the 8800 GTS will be faster than previous gen to the increase in SP.

Erm no.

The "new" GTS is being marketed as an OC edition so don't expect to pay the same price as the current 96SP GTS's you'll be looking at a much higher price especially with NVIDIA involved.

TheRealDeal · 15 Oct 2007 at 23:29

Yea i reckon you will be looking at same sort of price as the 640 oc or oc 2 versions of the gts's on the market atm. Thing is though with the extra sp's and the 65nm process these cards should have nice room for oc'ing unless nvidia make them otherwise to keep them away from the gtx performance range.

C64 · 15 Oct 2007 at 23:30

This is what i suspect they are not stupid they are not going to release a card that will force the profit margin down on all their cards if the 512mb gts is 10 or so fps on average behind the gtx and it is £180 what on earth happens to the prices of the 8800 gtx and ultra ? i think the 512mb card will be more likely to be £250 than £180.
My prediction is the 8800 gt card that beats the 8800gts 640mb will be £259.95 first place that gets them.

Tom|Nbk · 15 Oct 2007 at 23:41

Looks like it's turning out Easy's 9 quid outlay is soon to rise. Pmsl

HangTime · 15 Oct 2007 at 23:44

Not me. I try and avoid sideways (well, not exactly... 'modest', perhaps) upgrades where possible and likely want something offering ~8800ultra performance or better before I ditch my GTS320. Hopefully a mainstream gf9 card will offer that.

ethan · 16 Oct 2007 at 00:07

C64 said:
This is what i suspect they are not stupid they are not going to release a card that will force the profit margin down on all their cards if the 512mb gts is 10 or so fps on average behind the gtx and it is £180 what on earth happens to the prices of the 8800 gtx and ultra ? i think the 512mb card will be more likely to be £250 than £180.
My prediction is the 8800 gt card that beats the 8800gts 640mb will be £259.95 first place that gets them.

Wisely put, however, we'll have to see what ATI come up with and in what price bracket-we simply cannot ignore the value for money equation concerning this as this might be where ATI push ahead in the midrange. Optomistic I know.

Hyper · 16 Oct 2007 at 02:40

Not me until I see some official benchies.

JackRegan · 16 Oct 2007 at 08:17

I think we know too little at the moment. Once they are released and the price settles will be the time to determine if they are a good buy or not. There is a lot of ifs still unknown at the moment.

If they are at a similar price to the current range, if they perform slightly better and if they run cooler, then it imo is a good refresh for little outlay (or as Easy says a no brainer) that you will benefit from now and when you come to sell it on later.

One bad example is when the P4 Northwood went from 512 cache to a Prescot 1mb cach, yet ran hotter and OC less. Time will tell.

Anyway, just my 2p worth.

Jack

Greebo · 16 Oct 2007 at 08:20

C64 said:
This is what i suspect they are not stupid they are not going to release a card that will force the profit margin down on all their cards if the 512mb gts is 10 or so fps on average behind the gtx and it is £180 what on earth happens to the prices of the 8800 gtx and ultra ? i think the 512mb card will be more likely to be £250 than £180.
My prediction is the 8800 gt card that beats the 8800gts 640mb will be £259.95 first place that gets them.

I would suspect lower. They are talking world price of $250 for the 512Mb card so normal equation would put it around the £180 - £200 mark.

Don;t forget the 8800GT is the 8800GTS replacement. 8800 GTS (as we now them) are end of line.

If your price was right where would that put the new 8800 GTS 640Mb with 112 sp? somewhere between your £259.95 and £299.61 a GTX costs now so £279.95 say? I don't think that is a big enough gap. At those prices nobody would buy the GT since £20 will get you the GTS and same again, why buy that when £20 will get you the GTX?

I don't beleive th GT will be as fast as people are making out. I suspect it will be around 8800 GTS performance is now. Hence the new 8800 GTS which will be half way in performance and price to a GTX so the new GTS will be around £250 mark.

This way nvidia will sell the new GT cards (cheaper than a GTS and just as fast) and keep selling the the GTS with the GTX still top of the tree and enough of a performance gain to warrant the cost and those sales will continue.

Richdog · 16 Oct 2007 at 08:43

G92 scores outed http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/15/g92-scores-outed

A little higher than last time

By Charlie Demerjian: Monday, 15 October 2007, 4:25 PM

YOU MAY HAVE heard that the upcoming G92 has some pretty interesting performance numbers. All we can say is life sucks if you recently bought a GTX.

The 8800GT with MeII-32, a QX6800 and 2G of DDR2-1000 ram all on a 780i board scores 14200 on 3DMark 05 (i'm sure this is a typo, he must mean 06. -Richdog).

This is a little higher than the scores Theo saw, and just about even with the 8800Ultra scores at this rez.

That could be down to a lot of different things, most probably drivers, followed by CPU subtests skewing the scores. In any case, things are looking up for the green-tinged ones. µ

It's Charlie Demerijan reporting this, a complete **** if ever there was one, but I think this WILL be worth an upgrade for current 320MB GTS users.

~>Dg<~ · 16 Oct 2007 at 08:51

well im thinking people are pricing these cards to high.if the lower end model is to take out the 2900 pro(or newer revision of its replacement) its got to be cheaper for a start. so i say theyll start at around 130.00 ish.the higher end of the gts will be 200 tops otherwise its virtually pointless if you think about it. that way a theres a card in each segment. 8800gt 130-170 new, gts 170-200.i think gtxs will go down to 250 in next month as a lot will be content with the gt/gts performances as they will play all the big games(crysis,cod 4, ut3)plus also the new range of top cards 9800gtxs or whatever they will be called are around the corner. so a lot will not want to lay out 300+ when 200 will do what they want or need.also if the ati 2950s are very good they may something to do with pricing from nvidia.you never know there might be the dual gx2 8800 card come out before christmas just for the extra whoo har before the newer next range comes in just incase the atis close the gap a little in performance to the higher end nvidia range.

Hen_Dawg · 16 Oct 2007 at 09:38

CyZMyAssBaby said:
And so in conclusion there is no evidence to determine if upgrading is of benefit.

There is no evidence at all. So it leaves the usual speculation and arguments based on speculation etc. etc.

My guess would be the improvement won't be that much leaving this card most appealing at those upgrading from a 7series. e.g. Me!
If it turns out to OC much better then plenty of enthusiasts would switch their 8800