Spurs - Trouble maker gone?!

Chong Warrior · 17 Oct 2007 at 11:26

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/7048324.stm

I know a lot of Spurs fans are happy with this news. Now nobody knows for sure but apparently this guy has been beind a lot of the trouble that's been surrounding Spurs this season and was anti-Jol and wanted him out.

I can only hope this is true and this guy isn't just some kind of scapegoat, though I think he's a little too powerfull for that, he does seem to have friends in the right places? Time will tell but I hope the board get behind Jol and the team 100% from now on

Tom0 · 17 Oct 2007 at 12:29

If he was anti-Jol then good riddance, Jol is a damn fine manager, just having a bit of bad luck and bad press.

mad_allan · 17 Oct 2007 at 13:57

It was no rumour Chong, he was the **** stirrer.

I for one am glad he has gone and lets not miss the important part of that article, we made more profit!

Sem · 17 Oct 2007 at 14:04

so.. you still think we will make 5th this season

Jol has been great but he is done the best he can if we want the break into the top 4 we need someone else

Tom0 · 17 Oct 2007 at 14:14

Jol brought spurs from mid table to where they are now at the end of seasons. Spurs fans that dont appreciate what Jol has done for you are blind and dumb. You lack players not management

Column Matrix · 17 Oct 2007 at 15:06

Sem said:
so.. you still think we will make 5th this season

Jol has been great but he is done the best he can if we want the break into the top 4 we need someone else

Really? Have you some sort of managerial God given talent that enables you to spout your opinions as fact? Please provide some evidence or at least some depth in your opinion to back it up.

mad_allan · 17 Oct 2007 at 15:22

Sem said:
so.. you still think we will make 5th this season

Jol has been great but he is done the best he can if we want the break into the top 4 we need someone else

Are you forgetting we are no better than the Blackburn's / Everton's of this world. We compete in our own mini league, away from the top 4.

It's not BMJ's fault we are not there, he still lacks to key midfielders IMO. A strong, ball winning captain and a left winger. Until we have class players in the positions we lack, we will never be a top 4 side.

Quite how BMJ has attracted interest of Champions league clubs over the last 12 months, was touted with the Holland job, etc...
We have a class manager, most premiership teams with give their right arm for him. Look at the support he has from the fans and players at the club, that to me sums up BMJ.

Hlebio · 17 Oct 2007 at 17:05

Woo.

Top four is back on!!!1

Column Matrix · 17 Oct 2007 at 18:59

I see you must be an Arsenal fan. I don't even particularly like Spurs but to see a man who shows such honesty, dignity and determination, coupled with the ability to turn a club from a laughing stock into a very good team vilified in the media and consequently by some Spurs fans is shocking. If Jol ends up being sacked/walking out before the end of his 'five year plan' it will represent a victory for the media in my opinion. Football will have turned into a complete circus and it proves the media's ability to brainwash people with crap. Jol is 'tactically inept', yeah right I bet nobody even used that term until some no hoper journalist piped out with it. Did nobody watch the games vs chelsea last season where Jol pretty much crapped on Mourinho (literally). But no, the FA cup game against Chelsea when Spurs were 3-1 up and threw it away is used as the main attack on Jol. People forget quickly Spurs had only played Seville 36 hours before, Berbatov was injured (hence why he took him off - yet Jol still gets berated for that). Did Jol moan? No. Maybe he should a little more, then people might realise what hardships he has overcome, and realise really what a laughing stock of a football club Spurs were before he came along.

It was that FA Cup game last year that started the twinge in my heart. Made me realise what Football was becoming, it was quite clear that something was up when a team is expected to play 36 hours after another fixture, and they had a flight to make in that time aswell. The media, the FA, foreign investors, the new Wembley, the whole England football team (staff and players), the obession with 'top 4', John Terry and Frank Lampard (again the media think he's the god when he walks out in a face mask, yeah right for 100K a week I would play with no arms and legs).. It all just makes me sick. If Jol goes that's it, I give up, the media and money rule football.

Greenlizard0 · 18 Oct 2007 at 16:59

Column Matrix said:
If Jol goes that's it, I give up, the media and money rule football.

That was always a given though unfortunetely. The Champion's League is a cash cow - hence why so many people's obsession with the top four in England.

I think Jol is a fantastic manager - and it would be sad as football fan to see him go after what he has done at Tottenham. Though as an Arsenal fan I wouldn't mind him going and us getting Berbatov - no offence - he's too good a player for you isn't he?

Silent-Lucidity · 18 Oct 2007 at 18:17

Who's to say with the resources Spurs have had/got that a manager like Martin O'Neill, Mark Hughes or big Sam wouldn't have got them to same place or even higher by now? Jol is a nice guy but when it comes to the crunch, he got Spurs as far as he can take them. The defence is a shambles.

Column Matrix · 18 Oct 2007 at 19:42

Silent-Lucidity said:
Who's to say with the resources Spurs have had/got that a manager like Martin O'Neill, Mark Hughes or big Sam wouldn't have got them to same place or even higher by now? Jol is a nice guy but when it comes to the crunch, he got Spurs as far as he can take them. The defence is a shambles.

IIRC the 2005/2006 season was actually the 3rd best best defensive season in Spurs history. It is a Spurs tradition that they have ALWAYS (even in the 'glory days') been awful at defending. You can't simply just state 'Jol has taken them as far as he can' like its a well known fact because it isn't. In reality nobody knows whether he can or can't continue to progress Spurs. The fact is when Jol joined Spurs finished 14th and now they have had two 5th place finishes. That is evident progress. Before this summers spending Jol had a net spend of actually only around 5m so its not like he has had huge amounts of money to waste. Even now some would argue that the Spurs squad isn't even that great, how it is any better than Aston Villa, Blackburn, Bolton, Man City, Newcastle, Everton and West Ham I don't know.. Maybe on potential ability but not on current ability.

There are also rumours Jol isn't allowed to sign players over 28 unless they are on a free (eg Davids) as their value will only decrease, one target of Jol's was apparantly Van Bommel which addresses the problem so many have highlighted with the Spurs midfield but as he was over 27 the transfer never took place. Not quite sure how Spurs expect to get into the next level without some solid experience in the side.

Also its strange how so many clubs moan and falter when a key player is out eg when Chelsea lose Terry, when Liverpool lose Gerrard, when United lose Ronaldo/Rooney. Spurs haven't had King in their side for god knows how long and whatever your opinion of him is he is the Spurs main man, I haven't heard Jol moan about losing him yet..

A few years ago there was no point in being Spurs, people tuned in to laugh at how bad they were, now people tune in with anticipation of seeing a fantastic football match. I don't think there is a team in the prem I'd rather watch right now and I know for a period last season they were the only team I wanted to watch.