2007 Brazillian GP - Race 17/17

SDK^ · 21 Oct 2007 at 19:52

So close for Hammy

Some awesome overtakes during his come back though; the pass on Barrichello was one of the bravest moves I can remember.

Type_R · 21 Oct 2007 at 19:54

NathanE said:
There will no doubt be an internal investigation at McLaren/Mercedes to find out what exactly went wrong. I don't think it was an embarrasment to them - Ferrari have had much worse problems this season. A couple retirements and Massa even started from the pit lane at Silverstone IIRC. McLaren, just scrapped through the season, without a single mechanical failure. Alonso retired from qually a while back due to an engine problem but on race day - not a single failure. There was the wierd glitch on Lewis' car today but it didn't force a retirement.

They need more than an investigation to sort out their escalating problems.

Hopefully Alonso will go which will resolve a lot for them. Anyone get the feeling Vodafone might jump back to Ferrari again, seeing as they glory seek in every sport and only want to be associated with true champions

jaykay · 21 Oct 2007 at 19:55

LOL i dont know why but i laughed so much when Nakajima drove into 2 of his men in the pits. I must have a sad sence of humor.

Steedie · 21 Oct 2007 at 19:56

Seriously gutted, but the boy did good, no one could have expected he'd be in the running at the start of the season

Serious question but why are a lot of the Brits on here rooting for Kimi, I mean don't get me wrong, he deserves it but I would have thought Hamilton should have got your support

K.C. Leblanc · 21 Oct 2007 at 19:58

Let's look at it this way, Lewis Hamilton got within one point or winning the championship. No rookie has won the championship or probably even been that close. He took on 21 of the most talented drivers in the world and came out ahead of 20 of them. I don't think it was a bad result.

Type_R · 21 Oct 2007 at 19:58

SDK^ said:
So close for Hammy

Some awesome overtakes during his come back though; the pass on Barrichello was one of the bravest moves I can remember.

If it hadn't been for him going for the championship RB would have taken him off. Any other situation and the driver in front closes the door and bam, either u slow down or slam into them. Its called inexperience

I dont know why people think that coming from 5 car lengths behind and the driver in front giving way is a great overtaking move. It isn't, a great overtaking move is what Senna, Prost, Mansell, Villeneuve used to do

GTRacer · 21 Oct 2007 at 19:59

Fine, Hamilton on Kimi at Monza then.

Type_R · 21 Oct 2007 at 20:00

GTRacer said:
Fine, Hamilton on Kimi at Monza then.

Now that was a good move

Shame it didnt mean anything in the end - the numbers 21 & 22 come to mind :-)

SDK^ · 21 Oct 2007 at 20:03

Type_R said:
If it hadn't been for him going for the championship RB would have taken him off. Any other situation and the driver in front closes the door and bam, either u slow down or slam into them. Its called inexperience

I dont know why people think that coming from 5 car lengths behind and the driver in front giving way is a great overtaking move. It isn't, a great overtaking move is what Senna, Prost, Mansell, Villeneuve used to do

I said bravest (exactly for the reasons in your first sentance) not the greatest

Type_R · 21 Oct 2007 at 20:03

Very sporting from Alonso :eek:

<(Multi)> · 21 Oct 2007 at 20:04

Type_R said:
If it hadn't been for him going for the championship RB would have taken him off. Any other situation and the driver in front closes the door and bam, either u slow down or slam into them. Its called inexperience

I dont know why people think that coming from 5 car lengths behind and the driver in front giving way is a great overtaking move. It isn't, a great overtaking move is what Senna, Prost, Mansell, Villeneuve used to do

This guy talks the truth. The overtake required zero skill from Lewis and a hell of a lot from Rubens.

Steedie · 21 Oct 2007 at 20:04

Type_R said:
Very sporting from Alonso

Would he have done the same if it was Hamilton though?

Type_R · 21 Oct 2007 at 20:05

SDK^ said:
I said bravest (exactly for the reasons in your first sentance) not the greatest

Good point SDK - I apologise

(Hope your well in the most amazing council in the UK)!

NathanE · 21 Oct 2007 at 20:10

Type_R said:
They need more than an investigation to sort out their escalating problems.

It's not unlikely that after being stripped of the constructors points that McLaren scaled back their operations for the remainder of the season - afterall, what was the point when the company was assured to win nothing? I think the growing problems (today's gearbox software problem and China's wierd tyre tactics) towards the end of the season simply showed their fatigue and confusion after losing the constructors points.

Type_R · 21 Oct 2007 at 20:26

NathanE said:
It's not unlikely that after being stripped of the constructors points that McLaren scaled back their operations for the remainder of the season - afterall, what was the point when the company was assured to win nothing? I think the growing problems (today's gearbox software problem and China's wierd tyre tactics) towards the end of the season simply showed their fatigue and confusion after losing the constructors points.

Fair point especially as they need to hold on to as much money as they can to pay off the fine and build a new car for 2008.

But surely if they had scaled back on development, then they would not have suffered problems, as the car has been reliable throughout, seems to me they were still pushing (as Ferrari were so much ahead of the game) and just dropped the ball last minute.

SDK^ · 21 Oct 2007 at 20:31

McLaren wouldn't have scaled back anything.
The decision to keep Hamilton out in China was made due to potential rain forecast and the failure today was just one of those things.

One thing is certain - this was the best F1 championship for decades.

NathanE · 21 Oct 2007 at 20:33

SDK^ said:
McLaren wouldn't have scaled back anything.
The decision to keep Hamilton out in China was made due to potential rain forecast and the failure today was just one of those things.

One thing is certain - this was the best F1 championship for decades.

Not saying anything was measurable scaled back - maybe it is just a mind set thing. I just can't believe all the guys at McLaren would have still turned up to work and worked just as hard as they did before they knew their end of season bonus was a goner.

Type_R · 21 Oct 2007 at 20:34

KIMI wins something else!

gord · 21 Oct 2007 at 20:37

Such a shame Hamilton didnt win. The last 2 races were just a nightmare for him.

But at least Alonso didnt win and the unluckiest man in F1 did.. now making him not the unluckiest man in F1. Kimi should have won that season against Schumacher.. damn McLaren reliability back then..

But Hamiltons problem today.. weirdest failure ive ever seen..

SDK^ · 21 Oct 2007 at 20:41

NathanE said:
I just can't believe all the guys at McLaren would have still turned up to work and worked just as hard as they did before

This is F1, the pinnacle of Motorsport; practically everyone involved is extremely passionate and has worked tremendously hard to get to be the elite in their field of work. I can't imagine anyone with that mindset and commitment to down tools.