Football Fixtures 27-28th October **Spoilers**

and wrong again, im sure when i see carra and tell him yet another expert knows the reason more than him he'll stop and realise how wrong he was stop travelling all over the world only not to play, then decide its better for him his club fans and more importantly his family that he stays home for the better of them ... afterall englands downfall(scapegoat) was the fact whilst he wasnt playing and decided to carry on officially not playing for them was his fault .. yeah right


erm yeah. and meanwhile we'll all go on dreaming of a team of carraghers.
 
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What the hell does it matter the nationality of the players? Wenger is there to make arsenal Succesful, he doesn't get a thing for helping england out.

Well, ok he gets to pay over the odds for, in general, lazy, over-rated players.

It matters for the future of our national team, we need young and talented players who get to play first team football in a hard competition such as the premiership. Arsenal have been consistently poor for this after the break up of their English defence years ago (talking Lee Dixon, Nigel Winterburn times).

I see less and less young English talent emerging and I don't think it's just coincidence that England under perform more and more which ends up with the Manager being the scape goat. It's not just Arsenal, but as I said they've been one of the worst teams for it in quite a few seasons.
 
my point is that you can't say that you can't blame a player for commiting a foul if the referee misses it. that's how i read you comments on don't blame the player blame the referee. now i didn't think the manhandling was as bad this week as it was last week but it was still there. The referee who didn't give the fouls last week faced censure from his governing body in that he missed out on this weekends round of football. so my point is if you commit a foul then it's your fault but sometimes referees can be fallible. also i wouldn't put fouls and diving too far apart, diving should be a foul in itself and there are worse fouls than diving.

I don't think you can blame a player, how many times do you see a player commit a hand ball offense which a ref doesn't see for them to say "hold on a second ref, you should have given the opposition a free kick there"? It simply doesn't happen. It should always be up to the referee to spot fouls and award a free kick/penalty.

For the record I don't think Carra holding on to Fabregas's shirt today was a penalty, there simply wasn't enough in it for Fabregas to be denied a goal scoring opportunity, Fabregas lost his balence by himself and in fact didn't fall the way he was being tugged (as baz said).
 
also Baz, is it going to be a habit of yours that when a team misses out on a penalty versus your lot you'll rationalise it with another obscure incident in which Liverpool should apparently have had a penalty? i'm pretty sure you did it last week as well heh :)

Its not my fault Andy Gray is so anti Liverpool that he won't show decisions that go against us and ive not said we should have had a penalty anyway :p
 
Its not my fault Andy Gray is so anti Liverpool that he won't show decisions that go against us and ive not said we should have had a penalty anyway :p

true actually. same as last week surprisingly you only say you should have been given a penalty if the other team had got one ;)

Baz
'The first Lescott pen appeal was a 50-50 one but had that been given then so should have a similar incident on Voronin slightly later'
 
because club football is more important to him and us real fans ... go cheer fat lampard or drug taking ferdinand if thats what you want .. if only gerrard would quit that shame that is england .. well we can only pray

You're right. We can.
Might get someone with real passion in the middle. The kind of performances Hargreaves put in, in the World Cup.

and wrong again, im sure when i see carra and tell him yet another expert knows the reason more than him he'll stop and realise how wrong he was stop travelling all over the world only not to play, then decide its better for him his club fans and more importantly his family that he stays home for the better of them ... afterall englands downfall(scapegoat) was the fact whilst he wasnt playing and decided to carry on officially not playing for them was his fault .. yeah right

Probably is better for his family. Wouldn't want his dad getting nicked for touting tickets again would we?
 
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true actually. same as last week surprisingly you only say you should have been given a penalty if the other team had got one ;)

Baz
'The first Lescott pen appeal was a 50-50 one but had that been given then so should have a similar incident on Voronin slightly later'
I was just trying to appease the bitters so they didn't feel too hard done by :p

But seriously do you think the Fabregas incident was anymore a pen than the Sagna handball? I don't :)
 
It matters for the future of our national team, we need young and talented players who get to play first team football in a hard competition such as the premiership. Arsenal have been consistently poor for this after the break up of their English defence years ago (talking Lee Dixon, Nigel Winterburn times).

I see less and less young English talent emerging and I don't think it's just coincidence that England under perform more and more which ends up with the Manager being the scape goat. It's not just Arsenal, but as I said they've been one of the worst teams for it in quite a few seasons.

If the England youths were better then they would play wouldn't they?
Fact is, most of Englands younger players just aren't as good as some of the foreigners coming in.
 
I was just trying to appease the bitters so they didn't feel too hard done by :p

But seriously do you think the Fabregas incident was anymore a pen than the Sagna handball? I don't :)



i didn't think the fabregas incident was half as bad as the ones last week to be honest.
 
Well you see things differently to me then.

how so? it was a premeditated foul so i din't think you could get away from the fact it was cheating, he knew what he was going to do and he went out and did it. as it was it was done for the good of the team and everyone could see why he had done it and the united fans there respected his decision to 'take one for the team' when he knew he was going to get red carded.
 
how so? it was a premeditated foul so i din't think you could get away from the fact it was cheating, he knew what he was going to do and he went out and did it. as it was it was done for the good of the team and everyone could see why he had done it and the united fans there respected his decision to 'take one for the team' when he knew he was going to get red carded.

Surely thats different to diving as he knows full well that he's going to be sent off for his offence rather than in the case of a dive, they are trying to get away with it.
 
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