Whos at fault

Glaucus · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:18

Schofield said:
no...he had no indicators on, he should have been in the other lane aproaching the roundabout...if this happened accidently he should have been aware of whats around him and signalled to manouvre across to head straight on

Signalled across where, there are no lanes on *** roundabout, to signal would be to indicate wrongly that he was turning right. He's on the roundabout, it;'s his right of way. The OP pulled out in front, when he must give way to his right.

I'll say it again
Assumption is the mother of all **** ups.

Schofield · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:21

AcidHell2 said:
Signalled across where, there are no lanes on *** roundabout, to signal would be to indicate wrongly that he was turning right. He's on the roundabout, it;'s his right of way. The OP pulled out in front, when he must give way to his right.

I'll say it again
Assumption is the mother of all **** ups.

im just gonna agree to dissagree with you, because you would argue untill the sun goes down

[TW]Fox · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:22

GOGOGADGETIRONYSQUAD

Glaucus · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:23

Schofield said:
im just gonna agree to dissagree with you, because you would argue untill the sun goes down

Your right I would argue, I think you need to go read your highway code and have a re-test. If you can't see why it's the op's fault then you aren't safe to drive IMO.

(im off work for 5 days and apart from going to the post office tomorrow have nothing to do, so I got all night baby

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Schofield · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:25

AcidHell2 said:
Your right I would argue, I think you need to go read your highway code and have a re-test. If you can't see why it's the op's fault then you aren't safe to drive IMO.

(im off work for 5 days and apart from going to the post office tomorrow have nothing to do, so I got all night baby )

you need a gf

Glaucus · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:26

Schofield said:
you need a gf

too true.

Trojan · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:26

[TW]Fox;10393907 said:
Unless he was travelling at 100mph and the OP reversed out onto the roundabout the OP would have been long gone by the time the other guy reached his junction if he wasn't already on the roundabout.

Come on now, no need to go over the top. The OP could have seen the other motor in the left hand lane and proceeded to move out slowly. If the other car was going a reasonable speed, it's not outside the realms of possibility that he might not have been on the roundabout when the OP started his manoeuvre.

AcidHell2 said:
Your right I would argue, I think you need to go read your highway code and have a re-test. If you can't see why it's the op's fault then you aren't safe to drive IMO.

I'm well aware that the OP is at fault. The other drivers poor driving however contributed to the accident. I really can't see how you can think that he did no wrong.

Regarding tests, do you think you'd pass your driving test if you went straight on at a roundabout from the 'turn left' lane?

helpimcrap · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:27

Schofield said:
im just gonna agree to dissagree with you, because you would argue untill the sun goes down

when you took your test did you instructor fail to tell you that traffic to the right has the right of way regardless of what they are doing?

at a give way junction you have to give way to any traffic and 'assume' that it will always go straight on. this is why you never pull out of a t-junction even if the car coming from the right has his indicator on. he might have left it on by accident... still your fault when you pull out and chuffs you up the rear though.

[TW]Fox · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:27

Trojan said:
Regarding tests, do you think you'd pass your driving test if you went straight on at a roundabout from the 'turn left' lane?

You'd get a minor for it.

Would you pass a test if you pulled out in front of somebody who wasn't indicating to leave the roundabout?

Glaucus · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:27

Trojan said:
Come on now, no need to go over the top. The OP could have seen the other motor in the left hand lane and proceeded to move out slowly. If the other car was going a reasonable speed, it's not outside the realms of possibility that he might not have been on the roundabout when the OP started his manoeuvre.

I'm well aware that the OP is at fault. The other drivers poor driving however contributed to the accident. I really can't see how you can think that he did no wrong.

Regarding tests, do you think you'd pass your driving test if you went straight on at a roundabout from the 'turn left' lane?

yes as it would be a minor as long as it's done safely, pulling out onto the roundabout would be a major.

cheets64 · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:28

Its like one of them unwritten laws, like if you pull out on a car that has its indicator on to turn by mistake and you pull out and bam.

They should say its there fault but they never will because they don't want to pay up.

Trojan · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:31

[TW]Fox;10393976 said:
You'd get a minor for it.

AcidHell2 said:
yes as it would be a minor as long as it's done safely, pulling out onto the roundabout would be a major.

I think it would be a major personally, though I expect it would depend on the examiner on the day. Do you still think it would be a minor though, if by doing so led to an identical accident? I'd be extremely surprised if you didn't fail.

[TW]Fox;10393976 said:
Would you pass a test if you pulled out in front of somebody who wasn't indicating to leave the roundabout?

Of course not, and I've not indicated otherwise.

Jokester · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:33

It would be a minor, as approaching a roundabout in the wrong lane doesn't in itself compromise safety.

Jokester

[TW]Fox · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:33

It didn't lead to an accident, though. Like I said, the lane markings refer to positioning on the APPROACH to the roundabout. That roundabout has NO LANE MARKINGS.

Trojan · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:35

[TW]Fox;10394023 said:
It didn't lead to an accident, though. Like I said, the lane markings refer to positioning on the APPROACH to the roundabout. That roundabout has NO LANE MARKINGS.

So you'd be still be confident of passing would you, being involved in an identical accident following you approaching the roundabout in the wrong lane?

Scuzi · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:36

Trojan said:
So you'd be still be confident of passing would you, being involved in an identical accident following you approaching the roundabout in the wrong lane?

Driving tests are suspended automatically in the event of an accident, regardless of fault.

[TW]Fox · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:36

Yes (Subject to what Scuzi said). The approach lane is not relevant. It's a red herring in this whole situation. It's a single arrow painted on the road which was not visible to the guy who simply pulled out in front of a car already on a roundabout which had no lane markings.

Trojan · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:42

Scuzi said:
Driving tests are suspended automatically in the event of an accident, regardless of fault.

Suspended as in you fail? Didn't know that.

[TW]Fox;10394043 said:
Yes (Subject to what Scuzi said).

Fair enough, though I suspect you'd be wrong

[TW]Fox;10394043 said:
The approach lane is not relevant. It's a red herring in this whole situation. It's a single arrow painted on the road which was not visible to the guy who simply pulled out in front of a car already on a roundabout which had no lane markings.

Of course it's relevant, it's all to do with anticipation of other drivers. The OP was in the wrong, of that there is no doubt. The other guy however is not totally blameless in this like you are alluding.

[TW]Fox · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:48

Trojan said:
Of course it's relevant, it's all to do with anticipation of other drivers.

It's not. How are drivers on other exits supposed to know what is written on the tarmac of lanes the other side of the roundabout?

Trojan · 31 Oct 2007 at 23:51

[TW]Fox;10394126 said:
It's not. How are drivers on other exits supposed to know what is written on the tarmac of lanes the other side of the roundabout?

Prior knowledge. Oh and yes, I'm aware that the lane markings could have been changed since last on the roundabout, however it's extremely unlikely.