He doesn't say the Old Testament is Law, my interpretation is that He says the 10 commandments are Law and will remain so. If you can find anywhere in the 10 commandments that instructs people to kill, I would be very surprised.
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I know this is about a religious family getting fined but can we please leave the bible-arguing crap alone, just for one minute? We've already been up to our necks in muslim/koran debates, and a few people have been removed just so we can get a bit of peace and quiet.
As I understand it, a few people were removed for repeated vitiolic abuse...
...Can't see any of that going on here.
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I always took "The Law" to refer to those rules set out in the OT as to how one should live their lives...
Ask any Jew
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Well done for posting the numerous Old Testament verses, it takes a good while to find all those.
But what about all the New Testament?
Matthew 5 v17 "Do not think that I [Christ] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them."
Matthew 5 v43 "You have heard that it was said 'You shall love your neighbour and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven....(v46) For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not eben the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
The time before Christ was different, and the Law (especially Leviticus) is the old Jewish law. The reason so many of them call for the death of those involved was to show the people the seriousness of their actions and how that the failure to follow God's law demands death, but the message of the Gospel is that Christ rescued us from this punishment by taking it upon himself.
I stand by the Ten Commandments
"You shall not murder" Exodus 20 v13
It sums it up for me
I'll post some more in a bit when I've finished looking stuff up
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Not sure why asking a Jew would help explain a Christian's view on the rules set out in the OT.I always took "The Law" to refer to those rules set out in the OT as to how one should live their lives...
Ask any Jew
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When talking about "The Law", are you refering to your quotes from Leviticus and the Old Covenant made with the Jews?
Don't want to put words in his mouth but I would imagine that Squark would be more interested in the New Covenant and wouldn't literally follow the beginning of the OT.
I know this is about a religious family getting fined but can we please leave the bible-arguing crap alone, just for one minute? We've already been up to our necks in muslim/koran debates, and a few people have been removed just so we can get a bit of peace and quiet.
Peace and quiet on a forum...
somehow that doesn't make sense.
But why not? Christianity isn't pick and mix. Either you follow God's word or you don't.
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PS: Pass the stone, I think my neighbour's adulterous.
The key word there is murder, which is illegally killing someone. If you legally kill someone it isn't murder and so OK as far as that commandment goes.
As to God hating gays, if he does, why is He killing US soldiers instead of killing the gays instead? Is His aim really that bad?
I could be way off here but my understanding is that when Jesus died on the cross, a new covenant was formed which superceded to old covenant and it is this that many Christians follow. Jesus teachings > writings in the Pentatuch (sp).
Seeing as the Jews don't believe the NT, perhaps they take the words of the OT literally but that I wouldn't know about.
I'm genuinely struggling to think of a situation where you could legally kill someone (except Euthanasia is certain countries) - got any examples?
The rest of the thread has been individuals stating that these idiots aren't infact Christians. Also, Squark has already pointed out that he doesn't 'hate gays'...
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There is a big difference between the Old and New Testaments, you have to understand that Jesus changed everything.
The purpose of the law is to show us our failings, and convict us of out need to be saved from the punishment that is rightly ours. The wonderful message of the New Testament (it certainly isnt wishy-washy) is that through Christ (God's Son) we have been saved from this punishment, so long as we accept who Christ is and what he as done, dying in our place, so that we can receive the incredible gracious gift of forgiveness from God.
Romans 3 v20 "For, by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it - the righteousness of God through faith in Christ Jesus for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a sacrifice by his blood, to be received by faith."
Oh I understand that perfectly. He was quite a guy, that son of God.
However, all the murdering in the name of God came after Jesus had 'changed' everything.
You're right about the first part, we have a new covenant (or promise) in Christ, that all who believe in him [Christ] as Lord and Saviour, will not face the wrath of God, but stand forgiven through faith in his death and resurrection.
Thanks for re-iterating my other point too.
Oh yes, I meant to mention that in an earlier post.
I, in no way, deny that horrendous acts of persecution and violence have been carried out in the name of Christianity in the past centuries, what I do say, is that these act are, in no way, justified by the teaching of the Bible and Christ, especially within the New Testament, and as such cannot be considered Christian.
That was the point that I was trying to make.
I hope that it makes sense.
I read as a kid the King James bible.
But I know there was other Versions of the bible.
And it seams to me that they change it a lot from version to version.
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In many many languages too.
Praise God that so many people can read the Bible in their own language, its great!
I read as a kid the King James bible.
But I know there was other Versions of the bible.
And it seams to me that they change it a lot from version to version.
Really it shouldn't change much, or even at all, but some translations try to be literal word-for-word translations and other try to be thematic (thats not the proper word, but I can't remember it right now) which try to translate the meaning of the verse instead.
That is a very brief description of the different versions
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Actually...While we're on versions of the bible; how did you choose which to believe?
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