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What was it? "Competitive animals no no limits" 
Alonso to leave McLaren
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Well I guess Ron Dennis must know Alonso better than you and he obviously couldn't take that risk!
No, but he crashed his own car into Prost's (on lap1) so that neither of them would finish the race. Later on, he would go onto make accusations using language that leaves a lot to be desired.
Also, Alonso did not go out of his way to punish his team. It was Ron Denis who shopped his team, not Alonso.
Only after threatening ron denis.
I dont think you understand. When Ron phoned up the FIA and informed on McLaren, he did it in the heat of the moment, without discussing with anyone or thinking about his actions. It was all done in the heat of the moment. Im sure all of us, at some stage in our lives, have done things without contemplating the result, in the heat of the moment. This was not a calculated, well thought-out, discussed move.
yes it was, that is what ron denis should do is instantly inform the fia, the fia usually take this into consideration when they hand out the punishment. Ron followed the book, the fia then shafted him.
Sure I understand, Alonso made a threat against the team, Ron then acted quickly (if impulsively) in order to protect the team.
If your stupid enough to threaten your employer with blackmail then you should reap the wind!
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No way, swap Webber!
Even if it was just for one race, I'd like to see Webber in a competitive car that wouldn't blow up at the first corner.
Even if it was just for one race, I'd like to see Webber in a competitive car that wouldn't blow up at the first corner.
Ron didnt follow the book. He sat on information that could land his team right in it. It was only when Alonso made a threat that Ron Denis decided to get a sense of morality and report his own team.
The difference between Ron and Alonso is that Alonso made a threat in the heat of the moment, but would never had actually reported his own team. Ron on the other hand, in the heat of the moment, went a step further and actually reported his own team.
Webber would be a good choice. Though I feel Kubica would be a good long term choice.
Of all the new drivers Hamilton is by far the best, with Kubica a distant 2nd. Kovaleinen (or however you spell his name) and Rosberg aren't really that great.
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Dont let button into Mclaren he will just be another David Coultard. Nooooooo.
Quite correct in my opinion. Jenson's only real F1 hope now is that Honda sort themselves out, a move to McLaren would be career suicide. That's Swiss Lewis's team now.
The strong rumors seem to point at Red Bull, but who would leave? Aren't they both signed up for next season?
Ralf Schumacher for McLaren. You know it makes sense.
Hamilton was in one of the four best cars by a country mile. Next season will be a good test for him. Personally I rate Rosberg higher than Kubica, as I've never seen that Polish chap do anything that impressive. Kovaleinen has improved a lot this season and I'm not as dismissive of him as I once was. And I don't think the gap between these four new chaps is all that wide, not really.
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Really, well Ron obviously couldn't be that certain otherwise he wouldn't have reported it would he!
You seem to be very certain that Alonso wouldn't have reported McLaren but the guy on the ground who actaully knows that individual couldn't make that call, I think I'll take Ron's judgement over yours
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Really, well Ron obviously couldn't be that certain otherwise he wouldn't have reported it would he!
You seem to be very certain that Alonso wouldn't have reported McLaren but the guy on the ground who actaully knowthat individual couldn't make that call, I think I'd take Ron's judgement over yours
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But he didnt use his judgement did he? He didnt discuss or even think about whether or not Alonso would report on McLaren. He argued with Hamilton. Then he argued with Alonso. He received the threat. Then he quickly decided to report on his own team, without thinking about the consequences or even discussing it with other members of the team.
If Alonso made a threat and a week later, Ron, after many discussions with his team members (and perhaps even Alonso), decided to contact the FIA, then, yes, I would agree that he wouldve used his judgement. But on this occassion he didnt use his judgement; only his emotion. Which in hindsight, he might know was the wrong thing to do.
Well of course he used his judgement, he made his "own" judgement knowing the type of person Alonso was and the threat that was made!
Well I think the reason Ron reported Alonso that the threat was made and Ron using his own judgement of the man decided to act quickly
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PS I accept it could have been poor judgement
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The reason why I feel that Hamilton is far ahead of the rest is that he went toe-to-toe with the world champ Alonso and finished on the same points total as him. To do that is not easy. Remember, Alonso is a Ferrari/MSchumacher beater, twice over. Not many can say that. [When Mika Hakkinen did it, he had Adrian Newey designing the McLaren, who at the time, was the best designer in F1 (fresh from moving from the all-conquering Williams).]
Had Alonso been at Renault, he would no doubt, have been gunning for the world title. Kovaleinen was not competing for the world title, which is what Alonso would've been doing (and did in the McLaren, along with Hamilton). The problem is, we dont quite know just what effect Alonso had on the McLaren and Hamilton's own ability to set the car up. I read an article by Kovaleinen (I think) who stated that Hamilton is getting A LOT of help from Alonso. Alonso will almost always get the set-up right, so all Hamilton has to do is check his own set-up with Alonso's and he knows whether or not he is on the right track or not. Had Alonso not been there, he wouldve been relying on comparative set-up data from a lesser team-mate. This would have impaired Hamilton's own ability to get the most out of the car.
Next year will be telling and will show us just how good Hamilton is and what effect Alonso had at McLaren and will have at Red Bull/Renault.
That man Alonso, has a lot to answer for LOL.
As I said throughout the whole Couglan saga why haven't they sacked alonso and pedro. They didnt sack him because of what he could make public. The same reason why Alonso is now going for free and he's now saying they had equal equipment.
They have done a deal to keep quiet.
Alonso and Pedro deserved the sack, pedro isn't even an employee, hes a contractor yet he's still there.
Doesnt take too much thought to work out why.
I always thought Ron was a man of honesty. I no longer think that after this year.
Good riddance to Alonso though.
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They have done a deal to keep quiet.
Alonso and Pedro deserved the sack, pedro isn't even an employee, hes a contractor yet he's still there.
Doesnt take too much thought to work out why.
I always thought Ron was a man of honesty. I no longer think that after this year.
Good riddance to Alonso though.
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