Of course, I forgot those early legal years of using all that guff
Oh well that narrow his non TC use then down
F1 2007/2008 Winter Testing and Rumours
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Of course, I forgot those early legal years of using all that guff
Oh well that narrow his non TC use then down
would this of applied to all the teams applying for place, just seems wierd they hand it to someone who can't enter
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Hi guys,
Are there any regulation changes for the 2008 season at all worth knowing?
Cheers,
Mal
Are there any regulation changes for the 2008 season at all worth knowing?
Cheers,
Mal
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I thought it was 'Force 1ndia', hence all the confusion with 'Force One India'.rpstewart said:
The confusion won't last long though, they sure as hell won't be on the grid come 2009.
I'd tend to agree but Sebastien has proven pace although whether that translates to F1 has yet to be seen.I predict that Sebastian will be Toro Rosso's best driver next year..
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The FIA won't do anything. Briatore lives halfway up Bernie and Max's *********.
The FIA won't do anything. Briatore lives halfway up Bernie and Max's *********.
so just prooving what we already said was happenning, that it was widespread, had gone on for years, and was completely normal
For the manufacturer it's a trade off between the costs of supporting more than one team and the increased information to be gained from more engine running. With the engine freeze as it is though there's not a huge amount that the manufacturer can do with the information. Supporting multiple teams does, however, allow the manufacturer to keep a large staff base busy if development work is minimal.
As I said in the other thread
In some ways I hope they do get found guilty as well as a few other teams, the rules off the track need some serious rethinking. That I don't think will happen with out a big fiasco.
But on the other hand, I wish we could just stick to racing, the of track antics this year has been depressing.
In some ways I hope they do get found guilty as well as a few other teams, the rules off the track need some serious rethinking. That I don't think will happen with out a big fiasco.
But on the other hand, I wish we could just stick to racing, the of track antics this year has been depressing.
I disagree with that. Although Williams had sorted out all their widgets, it was McLaren who were leading the race in having the most technologically advanced car. Williams had the major aids and had tested them to such a point where they virtually perfected traction control, active suspension and anti-lock breaks. In the early 90s, McLaren had the most electronically complicated and as a result, the most expensive car in F1.
Obviously Benetton were in the top 4 and therefore had their fair share of aids, but not to the extent of McLaren or Williams.
In 1991-93, the Renault was not only drivable but also the most powerful engine in F1. McLaren had Honda and in those days it was always battle between Honda and Renault for supremacy. McLaren had Senna, Williams had Mansell. People forget just how dominant McLaren were in 1988-1991 and then just how dominant Williams were 1992-1993. Benetton took over in 1994/5, but it was always felt that MS was making an ordinary car look good. This was almost confirmed when he departed and in the following year, Benetton (similar to Renault in 2007), were nowhere to be seen.
In 1994 Ford Benetton was indeed much more drivable and nimble. Renault had more power (as you stated), but the Williams was a lot more difficult to drive. It was damn fast car though (Senna got all 3 poles) and as the season progressed, D.Hill (IMO the best test driver ever) together with the Williams team increased the performance of the car to such a point where in the last race of the season MS was struggling to stay ahead of D.Hill.
Thats how I remember it anyway.
Now talking of MS, in the mid 90s they banned all electronic aids. MS was still top of the pile, followed by D.Hill. It made no difference at all. Ever since then the FIA decided that it made no difference to the driver positions in the world championship and also was a difficult rule to police, hence started allowing driver aids. Now, for whatever reason, they have decided to play the game all over again. I predict you will still see Ferrari on top, with McLaren and the team Alonso goes to, as joint 2nd. McLaren wouldve been top had Alonso stayed, but clearly McLaren would prefer a happy team that finished 3rd and 4th rather than an unhappy team that finished 1st and 2nd.
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I actually felt that with all the off track antics, along with Alonso and Hamilton's feud made this the best season in a long while. Obviously 2006 was good because it went down to the wire, but this season topped 2006. We havent seen drivers despising eachother, since when Mansell, Senna and Prost were around.
I wonder why no one has gone looking for Jean Alesi.
He was driving right up to 2001 without traction control, as demonstrated by his dohnuts and burnouts after the races.
Guess he might be a little rustier then Shumie though.
He was driving right up to 2001 without traction control, as demonstrated by his dohnuts and burnouts after the races.
Guess he might be a little rustier then Shumie though.
I agree on the rivalry part, but you can have that without all the technicality scandals.
Its the scandals that make the rivalry more spicy. For example, if there was no scandal, Alonso would still be on talking terms with Ron Dennis and there wouldnt have been so much hatred between Alonso and Hamilton. Once it got to a stage where Dennis wasnt talking to Alonso, you always sensed that Ron Dennis wanted his adopted son (Hamilton) to win at all costs. At the same time he couldnt be seen to treating Alonso unfairly, for fear of even more fines/bans.
The scandal added to the tension.
Alesi was the original rain master, but he got owned later on, in the wet, by MS. I remember a race, where it was pouring with rain (I cant remember which track it was on or what year), but Alesi was in front, and MS just caught, passed and pulled away from Alesi. From that point onwards we knew that MS was the master in all conditions.
Of course, a drivers true skill is shown up most in the wet, which tends to level the performance of the cars. When Hamilton won that race in the wet conditions, that was when I acknowledged that Hamilton really was "that" good.
That's not my understanding. Everything I've seen and read suggests that McLaren were lagging well behind Williams and Benetton (and to a lesser extent Ferrari) when it came to electronic widgets. I'm not aware of them running ABS at any point, they were the last major team to go to a paddle shift gearbox and only ran a fully active car in 1993.
So he should with engine mapping as a form of traction control. He was also the only driver to pick a full wet set up as a gamble. He could do that because he wasn't really a contender for the season so he could take risks on set up. The others couldn't.
When they all had traction control you never saw a race like that from MS again in the wet. What a surprise.
Alesi's skill was not running well in the rain it was how long he could stay on slicks in changeable conditions.