Mondeo TDCi - fuel pump kills the engine???

Kitchster_uk · 9 Nov 2007 at 18:08

Hey all,

Mate of mine who is as mechanically minded as a grapefruit (but works in intelligence lol) has had a few issues with his 2003 2.0 TDCi (115). It's got 90k on the clock, FSH and has been a spanner from day 1. He's paid £600 for a new clutch only to be told the diesel pump is shot and the repair bill will be...

Wait for it....

£3200!!! :eek:

Spanner monkey mechanic reckons it'll need a new pump and that the injectors will be shot as any bits that have come off the old pump will have killed the injectors as well. Now, for £3200 I would be expecting a brand new engine just about! Anyone shed any light on these TDCi lumps, I must admit to being ignorant of them having never owned anythoing that new!!!

Dangerous Dave · 9 Nov 2007 at 19:25

I would try and source 2nd hand parts, the car is probaly worth less than 3.2k. I've seen a 55plate 130 TDCI Zetec Mondeo with 22k on the clock for 7k at a dealer (non ford though)

Kitchster_uk · 9 Nov 2007 at 19:27

Dangerous Dave said:
I would try and source 2nd hand parts, the car is probaly worth less than 3.2k. I've seen a 55plate 130 TDCI Zetec Mondeo with 22k on the clock for 7k at a dealer (non ford though)

I'm more concerned that he's having his trousers pulled down and not even being lubed before penetration - are the diesel pumps really that rubbish that they break and fubar the engine???

Simon · 9 Nov 2007 at 19:30

So he went for a new clutch and now it needs a new pump?

Any reason why it needs a new pump?

ste_bla · 9 Nov 2007 at 19:31

Well the injectors are just over £~120 each as someone at work need thers done

Kitchster_uk · 9 Nov 2007 at 19:32

Simon said:
So he went for a new clutch and now it needs a new pump?

Any reason why it needs a new pump?

It's cutting out/not starting

DannyW · 9 Nov 2007 at 19:41

Kitchster_uk said:
It's cutting out/not starting

tell him to get a second opinion on the work needed 1st.

Simon · 9 Nov 2007 at 19:49

Did it cut out and not start before the clutch was replaced?

Dangerous Dave · 9 Nov 2007 at 19:57

Kitchster_uk said:
I'm more concerned that he's having his trousers pulled down and not even being lubed before penetration - are the diesel pumps really that rubbish that they break and fubar the engine???

The pumps are expensive guy at work had one changed and it was about £1500 just for the pump. I've not heard of that many going though however I beleave the injectors do go quite a bit on the TDCi engines.

MikeHunt79 · 9 Nov 2007 at 20:01

Hmm, fuel pumps shouldn't fail after 90k....

hiroofheroes · 9 Nov 2007 at 20:21

It'll be cheaper than that to get a donor engine, I'm sure there are plenty of rear ended mondeos, focuses and galaxys able to supply a new 2l tdci lump. Hell you could buy a whole mondeo alongside its engine for what they're asking for the repair.

DannyW · 9 Nov 2007 at 20:37

theres plenty of pumps on ebay.. i remember seeing one for £50 for my focus tdci i used to own

EDIT: just looked, none on

just for 1.8's

barnettgs · 10 Nov 2007 at 01:34

It doesn't make any senses to me. Clutch fixed and now this?!

Because of £3200, it sounds like a dodgy dealer to me?

Kitchster_uk · 10 Nov 2007 at 11:00

barnettgs said:
It doesn't make any senses to me. Clutch fixed and now this?!

Because of £3200, it sounds like a dodgy dealer to me?

I've told him to go and get it diagnosed at Ford rather than someone who desn't seem to have a clue. We shall see. The guy is quoting £900 just for the pump.

Dangerous Dave · 10 Nov 2007 at 11:30

Kitchster_uk said:
I've told him to go and get it diagnosed at Ford rather than someone who desn't seem to have a clue. We shall see. The guy is quoting £900 just for the pump.

Defo take it to another garage, £900 for the pump is about right so where on earth does the the other £2300 go injectors are about £120-150 each. Its not a long job to swap the injectors or the pump to warrant £1700 in labour

I assume the guy will have changed the fuel filter ? could give the same effect although could be a lot of other cheaper things.

dalin80 · 10 Nov 2007 at 11:45

Dangerous Dave said:
Defo take it to another garage, £900 for the pump is about right .

what was the last pump you changed? i would say a pump on its own averages about £1700 on its own now easily, and double it again for a 'premium' manufacturer.

first thing i would do is get the injectors recoded, they often pick up faults due to electric issues, there's a white sticker with a serial number wrote on it that's on top of the rocker cover, a good garage with the right tools can use that code to reset the injectors, this works on the fords 75% of the time.

although if this was *straight* after a clutch change i would be checking that the CPS hasnt been damaged or the wiring tugged.

Dangerous Dave · 10 Nov 2007 at 11:54

dalin80 said:
what was the last pump you changed? i would say a pump on its own averages about £1700 on its own now easily, and double it again for a 'premium' manufacturer.

As I said above work mate had a 2L TDI Zafiera (sp?) pump replaced £1500 fitted at a dealer I think that included the fuel rail aswell but the injectors were fine. I beleave the pump itself was just over 1k

Butters · 10 Nov 2007 at 15:14

MikeHunt79 said:
Hmm, fuel pumps shouldn't fail after 90k....

What planet are you on? High Pressure fuel pumps seem to always die around the 100k mark. Low Pressure pumps sometimes even earlier.

And £900 for the pump? You're being shafted. A recon unit is only £350 plus VAT with a new one being listed as £450 exchange.

BMW Bosch HP pumps only come in at around £450 so how a Ford unit is any dearer than that is anybodys guess.

And yes, it is a long job to swap the pump, but not any more than £240 worth of labour.