Microsoft/Crytek=DX10.1 IS N0T IMPORTANT!

RavenXXX2 · 14 Nov 2007 at 10:59

Bit of a kick in the teeth for the ATI 3XXX owners.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9656

Expected to be rolled out with Microsoft's upcoming Windows Vista Service Pack 1, "DX10.1 is an incremental update that won’t affect any games or gamers in the near future." said senior global director of Microsoft games on Windows, Kevin Unangst. Microsoft isn't the only developer downplaying DirectX 10.1. Cevat Yerli, CEO of Crytek, states,"We pride ourselves on being the first to adopt any important newtechnology that can improve our games so you would expect us to getwith DX10.1 right away but we've looked at it and there's just nothingin it important enough to make it needed. So we have no plans to useit at all, not even in the future." NVIDIA also has a response for AMD's DirectX 10.1 support, a feature of AMD's new HD 3800 series that the company has been rather vocal about. NVIDIA's latest guidance describes DirectX 10.1 as "a minor extension of DirectX 10 that makes a few optional features in DirectX 10 mandatory".

gareth170 · 14 Nov 2007 at 11:07

as i said before dx10.1 on the 3800 series won't do anything for performance that this time. its only on the card so people will think the cards must performance much better than the 2900xt which it doesn't..

melbourne720 · 14 Nov 2007 at 11:09

Why even roll it out? NVidia don't support it, game developers aren't going to use it, seems a bit pointless of Microsoft to release it.

Squink · 14 Nov 2007 at 11:15

Isn't Cevat Yerli the same bloke that said Crysis would run at max settings on a GTS in high resolution at playable framerates? Perhaps he should be working on his truth telling abilities before he spends time priding himself on adopting new technology.

Emlyn_Dewar · 14 Nov 2007 at 11:17

It'll hardly be a kick in the teeth for the 38-- owners, not as it it will suddenly jack up the power requirements for the card and output more heat, nor will it suddenly increase the price.

RavenXXX2 · 14 Nov 2007 at 11:18

Dreams of free 4XAA have just gone out the window for current and near future 10.1 card owners, just a gimmick to sell more hardware.

It'll hardly be a kick in the teeth for the 38-- owners, not as it it will suddenly jack up the power requirements for the card and output more heat, nor will it suddenly increase the price.

Now 3XXX owners can only look forward to less power consumption but with the same performance as the previous tech. ATI were making a big deal out of it and it bet a few punters were suckered in to it..

Scougar · 14 Nov 2007 at 11:21

**** sake, ati actually run by the book and conform to the new standards, and then MS kick them in the balls for a 2nd time. First with them dropping the dx10 virtual memory tech from the spec because Nvidia are unable to get it working properly, now with them saying 10.1 isn't even needed. Is MS getting payments from Nvidia or something because this is a complete joke.

Nvidia used to be the company pushes the boundaries not the one holding it back.

Matthew

Emlyn_Dewar · 14 Nov 2007 at 11:22

I doubt that's the reason anyone would have bought the cards... DX10.1 support is exactly the same sort of gimmick as DX10 support has been for the last year. Not a lot of games using it and too many gamers still on XP.

Still sells cards though.

RavenXXX2 said:
Now 3XXX owners can only look forward to less power consumption but with the same performance as the previous tech. ATI were making a big deal out of it and it bet a few punters were suckered in to it..

These wouldn't have been the same people suckered in by the DX10 marketing would they?

gareth170 · 14 Nov 2007 at 11:22

Emlyn_Dewar said:
It'll hardly be a kick in the teeth for the 38-- owners, not as it it will suddenly jack up the power requirements for the card and output more heat, nor will it suddenly increase the price.

the less power , heat and price is great . but the performance isn't great..

Solaris · 14 Nov 2007 at 11:23

NVIDIA for the win

gareth170 · 14 Nov 2007 at 11:31

tbh ati should have forgot about the dx10.1 for now and spent that time trying to increase the performance a lot more... which would make more sense..

marscay · 14 Nov 2007 at 11:42

does every thread have to turn into a 'kick ATI in the nuts - omfg my hardware is so much faster than yours' thread, it's getting really old.

i have a feeling there's lots of insecure ppl who get some kind of perverted thrill out of hardware bashing ....just ... weird really.

Mr Paul · 14 Nov 2007 at 11:46

So whats the point of even releasing 10.1?

Vai · 14 Nov 2007 at 11:47

melbourne720 said:
Why even roll it out? NVidia don't support it, game developers aren't going to use it, seems a bit pointless of Microsoft to release it.

Uh, because that is the way it has to be?
Games and hardware won't be released for something that isn't available :confused:

Emlyn_Dewar · 14 Nov 2007 at 12:01

People don't like new features, it scares them. Just look at the whining that went on with the 6800/x800 release & the SM3 issue.

PhillyDee · 14 Nov 2007 at 12:03

well, until all you doomsayers-of-vista move from XP, people like me wont get my shiny DX10 effects . . . . . . so cmon, make that change . . .

Talrinys · 14 Nov 2007 at 12:08

It's not like every card would magically be able to handle 4xAA just because it's mandatory? It'll probably be in DX11 anyway, AA is extremely important, but cards need to be even more powerful

Cartho · 14 Nov 2007 at 12:17

All DX 10.1 is is an attempt by ATI to claw back some form of ground on Nvidia, who, with their G80 GPUs, have totally blown them out of the water and stormed off to a massive lead.
The problem seems to be that ATI are focusing too much on trying to claw in all these new and advanced feature sets, DX 10.1 and GDDR4 being good examples of this, and they are not just making a cheap, simple card which can compete with Nvidia in the mainstream market.... (or even the high end market)
DX10.1 just seems like an attempt to launch a card where they can actually say "look, we have something which Nvidia don't"

gareth170 · 14 Nov 2007 at 12:29

marscay said:
does every thread have to turn into a 'kick ATI in the nuts - omfg my hardware is so much faster than yours' thread, it's getting really old.

i have a feeling there's lots of insecure ppl who get some kind of perverted thrill out of hardware bashing ....just ... weird really.

i am not saying ati are crap or bad. as u can see i have a ati card, ive always had an ati cards.

but my point is they couldn't get the 2900 performance right and now they've bringed the 3800 series which is around the same performance as the 2900 series but with dx10.1 and less power... ati could have kept with dx10 and spent that time trying to increase the performance a lot more.. e.g. adding more texture untils...

Emlyn_Dewar · 14 Nov 2007 at 12:33

Their 2600 wasn't too bad for the mainstream and the HD38--'s look to be priced competitively from the figures we've seen so far.
I don't know how it works but surely a die shrink and minor tweaks/additions is all that could have been done in the short time period? How long does development of a new architecture take?