Child Support Agency Question

At the end of the day the CSA exists to stop single mums scrounging off the state. One way or the other, you and your new partner are going to pay. By not paying your ex directly your just passing some of the burden on to the tax paying public.
 
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someone should start a drive about this needing a shake up to be honest, fathers for justice anyone? :)
needs to be rethought out. ie. they cant reject people wanting to move onto new scheme etc. And they should be cost cutting if 40% goes towards their admin fees. seems more like employing people just because they can pay the wage.
 
peetee said:
someone should start a drive about this needing a shake up to be honest, fathers for justice anyone? :)
needs to be rethought out. ie. they cant reject people wanting to move onto new scheme etc. And they should be cost cutting if 40% goes towards their admin fees. seems more like employing people just because they can pay the wage.
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I think to be fair, the 40% of fees towards administration costs goes towards the old scheme.

It's like a lot of fathers who were assessed years ago (on 30%) will have disputed it, gone to court, avoided, etc, etc. So to use me as an example (only because I know my own figures!) out of my £700 odd pound I pay, about 40% of that will (so I've read on the CSA annual report and government statements) help to bring the none-payers to justice, track and trace, etc, etc.

Someone who is on 15% (the new scheme), if they pay £300 per month, then it's pretty much all of that will be going to the ex. Whether you say that's too much, too little, not fair, whatever, it's pretty much established that 15%ers have most of their money going to support their child (or the parents social life!!).

Perhaps this is why the CSA don't want us 30%ers been reduced because we're funding the none-payers.

Fathers for Justice, while in it's hey-day was a fantastic organisation, it's image is slightly tarred now because of the activists that went along looking for a good fight rather than fighting for a cause.
 
I used to pay the CSA when my son lived with his mother and i told them how much my new partner was earning. The problem is tho' whilst you may be with a new partner and your paying CSA payments your partner is contributing, all be it indirectly. Any money you pay is in reality affecting both of you. You could look at it this way, if your new partner is only earning pennies and your supporting the both of you and dont disclose that then they will just take what ever thier formula says they should from your wages. If you disclose what your partner is earning then taking the "basic" amount from you could be too much and place you both in extreme finacial hardship so they may not take as much from you.......its a complicated formula they use and in my experience of paying for over 10 years they never got it right. They even claimed i hadnt been paying enough (even tho' i filled in every form they sent and updated them with all my pay rises) to the tune of £1800, of course i objected and they reduced it to half that...........it wasnt even my fault ! They dont even take into account all that you may have to pay
 
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The Mad Rapper said:
Including overtime is utterly retarded IMHO, it's a volitile income stream that can stop at any time. I wouldn't care, but I work overtime to give myself a better future, not to support my ex-wife's social life!
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There target seems to be keep the father as poor as possible ,I switched to nights after my assesment ,up it went ,overtime up again ,got a lodger they even want 1/2 of that :mad:
They told me they allow me the same amount to live on as someone on income support yet I still had have to pay dentists ,prescriptions ,coucil tax and run a car ,I sent them proof of all my bills showing that I had more going out than coming in made no difference !
Its sorted now but had years of hell !
 
romperstomper said:
There target seems to be keep the father as poor as possible ,I switched to nights after my assesment ,up it went ,overtime up again ,got a lodger they even want 1/2 of that :mad:
They told me they allow me the same amount to live on as someone on income support yet I still had have to pay dentists ,prescriptions ,coucil tax and run a car ,I sent them proof of all my bills showing that I had more going out than coming in made no difference !
Its sorted now but had years of hell !
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Yes, the CSA does indeed suck :(
 
I've heard worse. A woman I used to work with was actually embarrassed by the amount of money she was getting - she worked part-time, got a big wad of other people's money as family "tax credit" or whatever they called it at the time...and then got a big wad from her ex, which wasn't taken into account when calculating all the other benefits she got. He had to move back in with his parents and be supported by them, because he couldn't afford to rent anywhere, let alone get a mortgage.

My brother borrowed about £10K to pay legal fees for a couple of years to try to get to at least see his daughter sometimes. He had parental responsibility, but that doesn't mean anything at all. Of course, not being able to even see his daughter didn't mean that he didn't have to pay large sums of cash to his ex. Eventually, he ran out of debt and had to give up the fight and mourn for his daughter.

My advice, especially to men, is to get yourself sterilised. Hardly anyone can afford to be a non-resident parent.
 
just do what i do, make all your exs psychotic and that way if they're carrying your baby they wont be fit to raise it, so you win the custody and they become the non-resident parents :)
 
sr4470 said:
What kind of women do you get involved with?? :eek:
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Thats the problem ,you don't find out until its to late !

Like somebody said you have no chance of getting a mortgage and the fact that the mother ignores the contact orders does not come into it .I was told my only automatic legal right as a father was paying maintenance .Every other thing you have to fight for and its one hell of a fight until you give up(they often decide you can seem them then :rolleyes:)

So beware all you young studs, rubber up,some girls think the pill goes down the loo every morning :D
 
Condoms have an 85% real world success rate. Don't rely on them.

Before you have sex, think whether it's worth the risk. Sundry STDs, AIDS, being helpless regarding whether or not you become a father if conception occurs(*) (anyone who thinks that abortion has nothing to do with men doesn't think men are people), indentured servitude for 18 years and the emotional trauma of being a father and not being allowed to see your child (or, if you're lucky, maybe seeing them one day a week).

Sure, they probably won't happen. You probably won't get killed if you cross a road without looking, but it's still a risk you take into consideration.

* To clarify - I think this is the least bad option, but that doesn't mean it doesn't cause harm.
 
What I don't get is why it's a percentage and not a fixed amount.

Basically if you get a promotion it means more money for your other half, even though her/his circumstances haven't changed. Even though you're the one who put all the effort in.
 
Tute said:
What I don't get is why it's a percentage and not a fixed amount.

Basically if you get a promotion it means more money for your other half, even though her/his circumstances haven't changed. Even though you're the one who put all the effort in.
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Yeah so you may as well get a stress free ,low hours low pay job or better still no job at all =no maintenance plus you can claim money instead of being robbed every month :D
 
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What I don't get is why it's a percentage and not a fixed amount.

Basically if you get a promotion it means more money for your other half, even though her/his circumstances haven't changed. Even though you're the one who put all the effort in.

Its a percentage because its supposed to be more fair..............that way everyone is paying the same amount so to speak in relation to how much they earn. It doesnt however mean you can afford to pay that percentage of your wage and i would imagine a large proportion of people find it too much. I have to say that i was very lucky that my ex partner actually gave me about a third of what i payed to the CSA back, she knew that what i was paying was too much.......
 
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