Womans Sentence Doubled for being Gang Raped

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randal24 said:
You can't apply European logic, it just doesn't work - agreed it's completely wrong and a human being's rights have been totally violated but the consensus over there is that she shouldn't have put herself into that position in the first place.
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Right, what they are trying to achieve is the avoidance of the very situation by making an example of her. The theory is that if they aren't in that position then it won't happen.
Agree with them or not, I understand what they are trying to achieve, it's the same principals we see over here.
 
freebooter said:
Where did he post anything about the bible?
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when you compare them following a book of fiction being ridiculous, most people would only say that if they think another book isn't fiction. point being, different countries are at different stages of their society evolution, england had just as many ridiculous laws years back, based on "our" fictional book.

we hit an industrial revolution which put us ahead of many countries, we also raped and pillaged a lot of cultures in the past to futher our own at the expense of theres. THATS the reason england jumped ahead, and why the US in turn jumped ahead. Had saudi arabia owned all the land we did and invaded england and when we hit the industrial revolution simply stolen all the technology and killed everyone here, the situation would be reversed.


the post before yours, the guys didnt' face 1-5 years in jail, death sentence was a VERY real possibility, and they ended up with 20 years in the end? which is significantly more than you'd get here for a rape.

in general a lot of these things we hear about, woman stoned to death for having an affair and stuff, its in general the news and womens group that jump all over talking about the incident, the men are often punished VERY severly over there too. its just a different punishment system, america has the death penalty, isn't that barbaric? or is it, should we have it so the 15/17 year old that tortured and killed a guy won't ever get back out to do it again.?
 
Slinwagh said:
Thanks for leaping to my defence.

In another thread I have quite clearly stated that the Bible is also a book of fiction and shuld be treated as such.
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thats fine and dandy, although my point still stands that we have done exactly the same here in the name of the bible. but very often when people jump to accuse a book of fiction, its often religious people that are adament their book is right and the others are fiction. so i did jump to that conclusion.
 
Lysander said:
Yes she was raped, but she also broke the law herself. Pretty clear-cut, I'd say.

If a woman got raped over here having just committed a burglary would you let her off the burglary?
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The only "law" she broke was sitting in another mans car. So she gets gang raped and still gets 200 lashes, yet the men get off relatively scot free.

Are you fore real saying it was clear cut?

Remember it is a citizens duty to question and rebel against unjust and unfair laws. This is something you cannot do in the Middle East.

So as a Westerner I can look at the barbaric society that they live in and question their way. This is my right. Shame women don't seem to have any rights in the Middle East.

I'd probably get stoned or flogged for practicing my religion in the Middle East :(

Red and White said:
yep. either that or a catO9 tails
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200 lashes from the Cat'O Nine Tails would more than likely kill you. It would be in effect 200 x 9 lashes only not with smooth leather whip but a knotted cord. All nine of them.
 
That's pretty savage really. You sure can go ahead and say 'oh it's their rules so it's fine', but deep down you know it's not.
 
LordSplodge said:
The only "law" she broke was sitting in another mans car. So she gets gang raped and still gets 200 lashes, yet the men get off relatively scot free.

Are you fore real saying it was clear cut?
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Absolutely, it's pretty obvious, isn't it? The point that she got raped is irrelevant. Whether you agree with the law or not, it's still the law and she broke it.

KNiVES said:
That's pretty savage really. You sure can go ahead and say 'oh it's their rules so it's fine', but deep down you know it's not.
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I'm not saying it's fine - I don't agree with that particular law. But she still broke it ergo she gets punished.
 
You have to love some of the "law is the law" remarks on here.

No doubt some of these come from the very same people who spend their time in the motors sections trying to get out speeding fines even when they admit they were speeding!!!
 
Lysander said:
Absolutely, it's pretty obvious, isn't it? The point that she got raped is irrelevant. Whether you agree with the law or not, it's still the law and she broke it.
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Just in case you missed it as you didn't quote it):

Me! said:
Remember it is a citizens duty to question and rebel against unjust and unfair laws. This is something you cannot do in the Middle East.
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The law is often wrong and only the people can change that. Hard to do in a world where they can just throw you in jail forever and where the government is not elected by the people!
 
drunkenmaster said:
we hit an industrial revolution which put us ahead of many countries, we also raped and pillaged a lot of cultures in the past to futher our own at the expense of theres. THATS the reason england jumped ahead, and why the US in turn jumped ahead. Had saudi arabia owned all the land we did and invaded england and when we hit the industrial revolution simply stolen all the technology and killed everyone here, the situation would be reversed.
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Interesting, who did we steal the industrial revolution from? Or indeed the enlightenment?
 
Lysander said:
As ~J~ said, their law is their law. You can't judge a Middle Eastern law through Western spectacles.
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Yes you can. It's not about a point of law, it's against her human rights, and any sort of common sense.

Imagine it was your sister, mother or wife. Absolutely horrendous regime over there, and shame on our government for having anything to do with them other than the strictest condemnation of that sort of brutality.
 
freebooter said:
Interesting, who did we steal the industrial revolution from? Or indeed the enlightenment?
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well we went from savages conquering the world to pulling out of countries after living there like kings. maybe buddism taught us the errors of our ways while in india. or maybe the canadians neutrality rubbed off on us. don't remember saying we stole the industrial revolution, but had someone stolen it off us, is what i said, then we wouldn't have become so advanced so quickly, and whoever started mass production and made lots of money might have.

we forget that 200 years ago the world was very different, and we went through an incredibly fast evolution of our society, not every society in the world was lucky enough.

people keep saying the other guys get off scott free. frankly i wouldn't want to be in a saudi jail for 20 years, hows about you?

are you aware that women in saudi arabia aren't allowed to travel or talk to men they aren't related to? i am, she was, she was aware of the consequences of that action in her society. thats fine, i'm not arguing its a good law, but i think cannabis use, which has put lots of people in jail in the uk over the years, is ridiculous, yet people know the law, choose to not follow it, and get punished. that is indeed the way life goes. i think its terrible to put her in jail, i think its terrible to put someone in jail over a bit of weed. it happens here, it happens there. but because we feel they are savages we'll lord it over them and forget the injustices that happen here. because life seems better when you only think about how bad other cultures are.

our country hasn't had democracy forever, neither have , well, almost any countries for most of history, its relatively new, and not accepted everywhere.

enlightenment pretty much came through education, which can from science, leading to a massive drop in things like drowning witches. the industrial revolution was a period in history that sparked a time of science and technology, this led to us giving up a lot of stupid things our ancestors did. that level of education isn't present worldwide. in 300 years our society may not have moved on while others do, and england will be regarded as a savage land.

people don't have the ability to think outside the box, you think they are savages always have been and always will be while we are civilised and always have been. thats just bull.
 
Though I certainly don't condone what they are doing, I agree with Lysander in that you are looking through your own lens with your own sets of values and morals. Those human rights are also determined by relatively few people. You can't impose your own views, ethics or morals on another person
 
How does it work if you go on holiday then with the missus must she buy some saudi gear or something. I see loads of people here saying they are going there take it they are all single males then?
 
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