Drug test = Fail - What do you think?

benjo plz. · 20 Nov 2007 at 20:34

I thought the cabinet was full of stoners anyway? :confused:

Nash · 20 Nov 2007 at 20:35

At least you're not American - I believe it is policy for Wal-Mart to test all its employees :s

Participant · 20 Nov 2007 at 20:37

All you really need to do is take in a pot of your clean friend's urine and some strands of his hair. Beat the system!

Edit - or even better a pube, since no-one will go near it!

[TR]SweetSpotOz · 20 Nov 2007 at 20:38

Robbie G said:
All you really need to do is take in a pot of your clean friend's urine and some strands of his hair. Beat the system!

Edit - or even better a pube, since no-one will go near it!

As if they haven't thought of that!

PS (I mean the testers, obviously!)

Participant · 20 Nov 2007 at 20:42

markyp23 said:
As if they haven't thought of that!

PS (I mean the testers, obviously!)

But what could they do about it even if they had thought about it?

Feef · 20 Nov 2007 at 20:42

Washington Post

Interesting article from a few months back about the FBI relaxing its regulations on hiring people who've used drugs in the past. Which makes sense, really. I would also hate to work for a company that did mandatory drug testing - if it's not affecting me or my performance, why should it be a problem?

I'm with Mohinder on this, I don't see how an employee's private life is of any relevance to the company that employs them. Of course, this only holds up for as long as whatever it is they do isn't affecting their work. If there's reasonable suspicion that someone is turning up under the influence of whatever and therefore not fit to be doing the job, then I would see a drug test as an appropriate solution.

Having said that, a couple of people in the pub I worked in would do a line before the start of their shift, and were by far the most efficient people behind the bar

Glaucus · 20 Nov 2007 at 20:43

Robbie G said:
But what could they do about it even if they had thought about it?

well they generally watch discreetly (ie not directly). And they handle the test tube after so would notice it's not 37 degrees.

Supercow · 20 Nov 2007 at 20:57

Can't you or someone else wee in a bag for your mate?

basmic · 20 Nov 2007 at 21:05

[TW]Fox;10526433 said:
Oh dear, drug user loses job never mind

For once, I'm playing the same record as you Fox - I am dead against drugs, other than those prescribed to me or alcohol and caffine.

Mohinder said:
There is a difference between a drug user and a drug abuser.

As an employer I would not want a drug abuser in my company - but a casual user who didn't let it affect his life outside of necking a couple of disco biscuits on a Saturday night? I wouldn't ask, I wouldn't want to know, and unless there was anything untoward going on I would never expect employees to take a drug test.

I wouldn't like to think I have friends have constantly have weed every night, let alone every week. It simply isn't what I'd call mentally healthy.

sniffy · 20 Nov 2007 at 21:05

[TW]Fox;10526433 said:
Oh dear, drug user loses job never mind

:/

Do you drink Fox? How would you feel about losing your job because you like a few beers on the weekend? It really isn't any different (unless he's dabbling in a bit of crack and so on

).

basmic said:
I am dead against drugs, other than those prescribed to me or alcohol and caffine.

Dear oh dear. Thankfully I've seen your racist ramblings so I'll just accept you aren't the brightest spark. I'll leave it at that.

Stringy · 20 Nov 2007 at 21:05

busman said:
They also interviewed me as a character witness and asked the same question

As soon as you said this little alarm bells started going off in my head. If they've gone to those lengths then I'd say he's out of luck.

[TR]SweetSpotOz · 20 Nov 2007 at 21:07

sniffy said:
:/

Do you drink Fox? How would you feel about losing your job because you like a few beers on the weekend? It really isn't any different (unless he's dabbling in a bit of crack and so on ).

I don't think he does drink. It is different, drinking is legal. Drugs are not. Employers do not like employees who break the law - simple surely?

Regardless, you say "unless he's dabbling in a bit of crack". Where exactly do you draw the line?

Glaucus · 20 Nov 2007 at 21:07

sniffy said:
:/

Do you drink Fox? How would you feel about losing your job because you like a few beers on the weekend? It really isn't any different (unless he's dabbling in a bit of crack and so on ).

yes it is, alcholo does not stay in your system a long time. Other drugs do.

For example
a line will last around 3 days
Shrooms around 7 days
cannabis upto 4 weeks.

Whilst there still in your system they can affect you. Even if you feel fine.

PardonTheWait · 20 Nov 2007 at 21:08

basmic said:
For once, I'm playing the same record as you Fox - I am dead against drugs, other than those prescribed to me or alcohol and caffine.

Why are alcohol and caffeine ok, but a joint of an evening not?

Why's it ok to go and get smashed off your face on cider, but not ok to pop a couple of gurners?

I am, in a way, anti-drugs, but it's by no means as black and white as you make it sound. I've dealt with a drug abuser in my family and I ****ing hate her for how she acts because of all the pills she's taken, but not everyone who recreationally takes drugs does it to the extremes she used to. As I said, there'a a difference between users and abusers.

[TR]SweetSpotOz · 20 Nov 2007 at 21:09

AcidHell2 said:
yes it is, alcholo does not stay in your system a long time. Other drugs do.

For example
a line will last around 3 days
Shrooms around 7 days
cannabis upto 4 weeks.

Whilst there still in your system they can affect you. Even if you feel fine.

Not to mention that long term cannabis use can cause schizophrenia which isn't really something you want your workforce to have.

Employers decision. Simple as.

PardonTheWait · 20 Nov 2007 at 21:09

markyp23 said:
I don't think he does drink. It is different, drinking is legal. Drugs are not. Employers do not like employees who break the law - simple surely?

Speeding's illegal, would you like your employer to fit a GPS speed tracker to your car and sack you if you did 95 all the way home one night?

What difference does it make if someone like to take recreational drugs in a responsible manner, in their own time?

Glaucus · 20 Nov 2007 at 21:10

Mohinder said:
Why are alcohol and caffeine ok, but a joint of an evening not?

Why's it ok to go and get smashed off your face on cider, but not ok to pop a couple of gurners?
.

for the reasons I stated above. if you do drugs it''s very unlikely you go into work clean. Where if your sensible with alcohol you will be.

Jokester · 20 Nov 2007 at 21:11

Mohinder said:
What difference does it make if someone like to take recreational drugs in a responsible manner, in their own time?

Because there aren't after effects to speeding (unless you count speeding convictions which employer's can take a dim view of, especially if you lose your license).

Jokester

[TW]Fox · 20 Nov 2007 at 21:12

sniffy said:
:/

Do you drink Fox? How would you feel about losing your job because you like a few beers on the weekend? It really isn't any different (unless he's dabbling in a bit of crack and so on ).

I don't drink, no, but your example is irrelevent becuase having a few beers at the weekend is not illegal, whereas taking drugs is. Note, it's not cannabis - he implies its other stuff..

PardonTheWait · 20 Nov 2007 at 21:12

AcidHell2 said:
for the reasons I stated above. if you do drugs it''s very unlikely you go into work clean. Where if your sensible with alcohol you will be.

Bull.

I've worked with a lot of recreational drug users and they're all fine on monday mornings. Maybe I wouldn't want them to do brain surgery on me, but in an every day job, people who've done drugs at the weekend are fine.

On the other hand, I've gone into work so badly hungover my hands are shaking.

So why's drinking ok again?