Drug test = Fail - What do you think?

Jokester said:
I'm subject to drug testing (including alcohol). Regardless of whether it's illegal or legal drug use, most companies don't won't to take the risk of employing someone who might have a problem, especially those failing urine testing as it implies you would turn up for work with drugs in your system like you did for your pre-job medical.

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same here both alcohol and drug. Legal or illegal.

It's more to do with safety and insurance, rather than personal problems.

i'm even meant to tell my manager if I've taken any drugs even asprin/hayfever etc. Which is then looked up on a system for side effects and then limits can be placed on what I can do at work.
 
lol can you imagine the guy turning up to the drugs test with not a single hair on his body?? haha... what an image!

Damn does this mean one more unemployed junkie out there robbing the crap outta people? (blatant "I'm joking" alert for the retarded...)
 
Docaroo said:
lol can you imagine the guy turning up to the drugs test with not a single hair on his body?? haha... what an image!

Damn does this mean one more unemployed junkie out there robbing the crap outta people? (blatant "I'm joking" alert for the retarded...)
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Then the test people would:

1) Know he was a druggie
2) Laugh their faces off and test the follicles anyway.
 
markyp23 said:
Then the test people would:

1) Know he was a druggie
2) Laugh their faces off and test the follicles anyway.
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if it was waxed there wouldn't be follicles.
also the follicles don't contain long drug usage, it grows out with the hair. so testing the follicles would only show similar results to a urine test.
 
[TW]Fox;10526433 said:
Oh dear, drug user loses job never mind :p
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There is a difference between a drug user and a drug abuser.

As an employer I would not want a drug abuser in my company - but a casual user who didn't let it affect his life outside of necking a couple of disco biscuits on a Saturday night? I wouldn't ask, I wouldn't want to know, and unless there was anything untoward going on I would never expect employees to take a drug test.
 
Mohinder said:
There is a difference between a drug user and a drug abuser.

As an employer I would not want a drug abuser in my company - but a casual user who didn't let it affect his life outside of necking a couple of disco biscuits on a Saturday night? I wouldn't ask, I wouldn't want to know, and unless there was anything untoward going on I would never expect employees to take a drug test.
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but how about when he crashes some machinery or causes another acedient and a drugs tests reveals he's got drugs in his system. You might become liable for letting a drug user, use that machinery. whether he's a occasional user or a drug abuser.
 
What if someone came in drunk and did the same? One would hope someone would notice all was not well with someone. Would you advocate some sort of test to see if someone is an alcohol abuser before employing them?
 
I'm not sure I agree with that - but of course there are jobs where you just can't take any risks at all, I suppose.

On the whole though for the average job, I think a drug test is unnecessary and... wrong.

I don't take any illegal drugs at all, I'm just not sure it's right to deny someone a job because they do a pill once a month or like to relax with a joint on a Friday night, in their own time.
 
Mohinder said:
What if someone came in drunk and did the same? One would hope someone would notice all was not well with someone. Would you advocate some sort of test to see if someone is an alcohol abuser before employing them?
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There called drug and alcohol test
Along with sight, hearing and general medical.
To make sure your fit and able for the job.

Mohinder said:
I don't take any illegal drugs at all, I'm just not sure it's right to deny someone a job because they do a pill once a month or like to relax with a joint on a Friday night, in their own time.
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But the effects can last days to almost a month with cannabis. You might feel fine but it slows reactions down.

I doubt it will be long before drug tests become common place in warehouses, building sites etc. It will then filter to the offices. you can test one side of the companie and not the other.
 
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Mohinder said:
I know they exist, but do you think that's right?

I see why they could be desirable to an employer but I dislike the gradual erosion of ordinary people's rights and privacy, that's all.
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yes I think it's right as far as the companies covering there back. You don't like it, don't take the job. Just be aware things like this will become common practice.
 
Robbie G said:
What's not right about it? Ideally as an employer I'd like to know every damn thing about an employee if I possibly could. Whatever's legally acceptable is right as far as HRM goes.
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If what you do in your own time doesn't hurt anyone or affect your ability to do your job, I don't see why you should be tested. Someone in a job where it's absolutely vital, yes, but someone going for a nondescript office job shouldn't be tested, imo. My beef lies with that, not with drug testing as a whole.

Would you want to know if your employees were benders, secretly didn't like Austrian people, listen to Kenny G, and so on?

I just don't see why what people get up to on a Saturday night is something you'd want to know. I don't think you should hire smackheads or anything, but PLENTY of people take drugs recreationally. A huge amount of regular people who hold down jobs and function as useful members of society just fine. And I don't believe they should be discriminated against and have their privacy invaded unless it's absolutely vital.

AcidHell2 said:
yes I think it's right as far as the companies covering there back. You don't like it, don't take the job. Just be aware things like this will become common practice.
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As I said, it won't directly affect me even if they made daily drug tests mandatory at every job I ever had for the rest of my life - I don't do drugs - but I don't appreciate the sentiment of it. It's too big brother for me.
 
Mohinder said:
Would you want to know if your employees were benders, secretly didn't like Austrian people, listen to Kenny G, and so on?
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I'd want all possible information so that I could make an informed decision. It doesn't mean that I'd act on all of the information.

[This would also allow me to snigger at them behind their backs :p]
 
Many government jobs require enhance disclosure CRB, plus extensive drug and mental state assessment.

In brief, the type of test undertaken is imperative.

Urine - 4 weeks and clear.

Blood - 4 Weeks and clear.

Hair, however long it is on your head! I.E. Your hair grows a week below and the rest above the skin line.

Sometimes they don't bother testing, they tell you they will, then ask if you have anything to say!

Drug testing is expensive and government agencies don't like paying for anything!

I'd say, if he is better at the job than a clean individual he is out, if he is best for the job by a good margin hes in with a chance!
 
Mohinder said:
As I said, it won't directly affect me even if they made daily drug tests mandatory at every job I ever had for the rest of my life - I don't do drugs - but I don't appreciate the sentiment of it. It's too big brother for me.
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the public and publics attitude is to blame. There's no accidents. there's always a blame and there's always someone ready and willing to sue you for that blame. Companies just can't ignore that.
 
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