HMRC loses 15m peoples bank details.

No need to panic eh....

All my personal details are missing (essentially available to anyone) and there's no need to panic. If my wife had lost my bank details and names of all our kids and names and NI numbers etc on a piece of paper in the street I would be panicing - so whats different here ?

And no doubt the government will keep saying the discs are 'just mislaid' in some civil service building (they just dont know where) - and at some point the discs will magically appear (once someone makes another copy and lets on it was the first ones they lost)

Not knowing where they are is just as laughable as knowing they are in the hands of the worst criminals in the UK (which no doubt they will be in the next few weeks).

To think they won't get into the wrong hands is naive... there is too much money to be made from them and too many people already want to get their hands on them. I would say 30% of people if they found the said CDs would make a copy of them. Not necessarily for criminal intent, but just for the sake of it. That is when the floodgates open, and the copies will start appearing everywhere over the net etc.

Those 2 CDs are like goldust right now (and are probably 2 of the most wanted CDs in the world right now) -and golddust has a magic appearance to most people. Theres just too many things people could do with all that info.... and I doubt this fiasco will ever end... it will go on for years and years. People will always have the same kids names, the same NI number & the most likely have the same bank details and address. That will stay the same for years to come, and its now on same bloomin CDs that are lying around somewhere. And at the same time people will start using their kids names for password again in a few months time when its all forgotten about again. Thats when the problems will start up.
 
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Actually previous to this, they lost a CD between them and Standard Life regarding pensions (Including My Dad).

I'd say that was 4 weeks ago he received a letter stating what had happened and they wanted to let my dad know, and saying the courier service isnt accepting responsability.

:confused: Madness.....
 
not being funny but you would think sensitive data like this would be encrypted if put onto disk to eliminate any problems like this? maybe security oversight and quite possibly the cost in the end will include financial loss to people in the short term and long term costs of crime possibly going up through fraud/theft.

not good....

people get sacked for less in my workplace. there has to be some kind of punishment for a schoolboy error like this.

as for coming clean about it - i can GUARENTEE that they didnt come clean about it for the good of the country or any crap like that. more like 'we've been found out - own up now before somewhere grasses us up tomorrow.'
 
there has to be some kind of punishment for a schoolboy error like this.
Quite literally. The Data Protection Act is hammered into us at GCSE and A level, and makes an appearance on papers most years. I would say this violates the "Data must be held Securely" bit, or as Wikipedia puts it
Appropriate technical and organisational measures shall be taken against unauthorised or unlawful processing of personal data and against accidental loss or destruction of, or damage to, personal data.
People here are saying CD's, while the news just says "Computer Disks". I was trying to explain to my dad this morning that it could feasibly be two DVDs. (And not 'Big magnetic disks' the size of pizza boxes :D as he was suggesting)
With 25 million people's data (est), and one record per person, split across two 4.3gb DVDs equals roughly 350+ bytes per record. A very crude calculation but more than feasible, no? CD's give about 50+ bytes per record (2x700mb) which I guess is also plausible.
 
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(I wasn't really downloading it and I'm not sure what I would have searched for to get those combination of results...)
 
They've sent out a letter stating the discs are probably still on government property. They've completely failed to give a convincing reason why they think it's still on government property (especialy since I was under the impression if was lost by a courier company).

Looks like even more poop will hit the fan if this data turns up in the public domain.

It might be selfish of me, but I'm very glad I'm not on this list.
 
yep

so someone somewhere has my NI number, date of birth and full name

as well as my parent's bank details, names and NI numbers.

thanks very much.
 
Hmm, getting interesting now. Looks like the NAO requested the data without people's personal details included, but this request was rejected because it would cost too much to filter out the personal data. Are tax-payers and their constant demands for less tax partially responsible here? ;)
 
The more data is stored about you on a central database (or linked databases), the greater the chance of a really thorough job being done of copying your identity, one that's far harder to counter than the ID fraud that happens now.

This won't stop the government's central database scheme (the "ID card" scheme in which ID cards are a minor and largely irrelevant part). No-one who knows anything ever thought that it would be secure, so why would this latest security problem, just another of many, make any difference?

What would a criminal do with my DNA?

I'd fear a lot more what they would do with my bank details.
 
How? DNA found at the scene of the crime is not a strip of letters you know.

What is the framer going to do with a text file?
 
frame you for murder?

Firstly, DNA evidence is not enough on its own to secure a conviction. Secondly, just because a criminal has information about your DNA (i.e. data) it doesn't mean he can produce the biological material that would frame you. Thirdly, what has the issue about DNA got to do with the ID card system? :)
 
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