Fergie charged by the FA.

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FA charges Man Utd boss Ferguson
Sir Alex Ferguson was sent to the stands by referee Mark Clattenburg
Ferguson was sent to the stands by referee Clattenburg
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson is to face a Football Association misconduct charge.

Ferguson has been charged with using abusive and insulting words towards an official after an exchange with referee Mark Clattenburg on Saturday.

Ferguson was sent to the stands by Clattenburg following a half-time rant during United's 1-0 defeat at Bolton.

The Scot, who must respond to the FA by 11 December, said he told the referee "exactly what he thought of him".

He continued: "Some referees don't like it. They don't like the truth. But I just told him how bad he was in the first-half."

Ferguson was upset with what he felt was a lack of protection for his players against what he claimed were "over-aggressive" tactics from Gary Megson's side.

He now faces a fine and the possibility of a touchline ban if the case against him is proved.

However, he continued his criticism of Clattenburg on Monday.

"Any team at the bottom of the league, you expect them to battle and scrap because they haven't got the quality of opponents like ourselves - that's why we are in different positions.

"But the key to it really is how the referee controls it. He's the arbiter in terms of applying the laws of football. That's where we feel a bit aggrieved."
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ok now i have slightly mixed feelings about this one to be honest, firstly, i believe managers should have the right to criticise referees. i don't think voicing your opinion is bringing the game into disrepute. there are plenty of times when i've wanted to call clattenburg names.

However, on this one i think Ferguson needs to reel it in a little, while i think the ref was pretty poor i don't like the boss going on about us 'needing a little more protection.' quite simply the team he put out on saturday played a bit like a bunch of fannies with no real bite themselves and you can hardly blame bolton for putting themselves about a bit (excluding a couple of tackles that i did feel deserved harsher punishment).

So on side a) i thought Clattenburg was pretty poor and managers should within reason have the right to criticize refs. however on side b) in retrospect Fergie made the wrong decision with the team and he should just put his hands up to that.
 
As we're doing the whole community thing now...

All refs have bad games now and again, we all know there not perfect.

I think alex just got caught up in the occassion and probably wouldn't have said it now he's had a think.
 
Fergie is at it all the time, next time Clattenberg is the ref for Man utd they will get the big decisions in their favour.
 
weringo said:
Hitting Fergie with this charge will hardly make up for the countless decisions that go your way. The FA are addressing the wrong problem.

How many penalties have you had against you this season?



So this is the community thing? Doesn't this happen all the time anyway? :p
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oh, i get you, well personally i think all the members of the big 4 get decisions their way the majority of the time. ref's should be stronger but fair enough with regards your view. Do you think a manager should have the right to crit a referee though? and as i have mentioned personally i think on this occasion it's just being done to deflect attention to a degree.
 
DanH84 said:
oh, i get you, well personally i think all the members of the big 4 get decisions their way the majority of the time. ref's should be stronger but fair enough with regards your view. Do you think a manager should have the right to crit a referee though? and as i have mentioned personally i think on this occasion it's just being done to deflect attention to a degree.
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Yeah I have no problem with managers critisising the referees the referees as long as it's justified, I didn't see the United game on Saturday so I don't know whether or not it was in this case.

Some refs are just ****, it's not an impossible job either, you just need to look at Collina when he was refereeing to prove that.
 
am i getting the wrong guy or, wasn't clattenburg in charge for arsenal vs pool, i really can't remember which game was which. no it was the everton game, now it all clicks. he refused a couple of penalties, one of which was so blooming obvious that it was a joke. did some massively retarded things in the game, including, iirc, giving a red card for a foul on gerrard that never happened. either way, clattenberg has already been dropped from the premiership once this season.

the last 4-5 games, or maybe all this season the refering has been flat out terrible. in general centre backs get away with a lot of shirt pulling, but everyones at it, strikers and defenders. but caragher got away with murder over a few games and got away with it every time.

i assume but fergie reacting so badly, that clattenberg got something really seriously wrong. despite some petty stuff, like being called names at the emirates, fergie isn't the type to openly critise a ref unless the ref was flat out crap. I managed to sleep though MOTD so havent' seen highlights of the game. but, what happened to the good refering?

more than anything this year has just seen even more of there, see a decision get it wrong when a player complains have a smug smile on their face like they 100% know they got it right. when most of the time they don't. they've all become arrogant and frankly, crap, but they all think they are really good.

still an incredibly easy, cheap, quick and effective way to stop most diving and get most of the big decisions, sendings off, penalties and the like correct and the FA are completely unwilling to do anything. i swear we've been talking about methods to improve refering, for like 7-8 years now, at least. :(
 
i've only seen extremely brief highlights due to not being able to bring myself to watch it all and yes Bolton were a bit rough and Davies was out of order. there were no punches or career threatening challenges though.


*and i do think the standard of refereeing has been poor this season and that it's not an impossible task.
 
DanH84 said:
i've only seen extremely brief highlights due to not being able to bring myself to watch it all and yes Bolton were a bit rough and Davies was out of order. there were no punches or career threatening challenges though.


*and i do think the standard of refereeing has been poor this season and that it's not an impossible task.
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Davies risked getting sent off (1 clear booking and then a accumulation of fouls) but so did Evra; not sure whether he actually got booked but certainly could have done for the challenge on Guthrie for the goal and then the one on Davies (and if the ref was in a fussy mood he could have got one for the little flick at Davies).

Like you say there weren't any serious fouls etc and i wouldn't say Bolton were that physical going by the standards they have set in the past (not a patch on Reading as well).
 
BaZ87 said:
Davies risked getting sent off (1 clear booking and then a accumulation of fouls) but so did Evra; not sure whether he actually got booked but certainly could have done for the challenge on Guthrie for the goal and then the one on Davies (and if the ref was in a fussy mood he could have got one for the little flick at Davies).

Like you say there weren't any serious fouls etc and i wouldn't say Bolton were that physical going by the standards they have set in the past (not a patch on Reading as well).
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evra probalby should have been booked if he wasn't. as i said though, nothing super major from what i saw.



*super major sounds a bit rubbish but i'll leave it in for posterity.
 
davies seems to end up player with most fouls most seasons, he's a bit of a disgrace tbh as thats his only real job in the team. what i really REALLY hate about ref's of late is the, let so many bad tackles go for 60 mins, then make a concious decision to book everyone, which in most games in davies case would be easily 5 to 10 fouls. but then, someone comes on as a sub, makes one tackle and gets booked instantly, its utterly freaking ridiculous. its not a particularly hard job to keep a rough track in your head whose been fouling consistantly and to book them to stop them. i hate it when bolton type teams will generally try not to do horrific fouls, but constantly nip at peoples heels as they run, trip people, do lots and lots of little fouls that kill the flow of the game, start to add up and hurt players, you hit the deck from running at full speed and it tires you out and starts to hurt once you do it 10 times. ref's in games like that really need to stamp it out, early, take the worst offenders in overly physical games and yellow them early. without simply giving a card to everyone who makes a tackle after that point.

IF anyones familiar with the american football red flag system, it would almost completely fix all out bad decisions in our games, which would pretty much cut out any diving because it would never gain them anything. add that to a F1 style post match interview so key players can be asked, soooo, why did you dive then? seriously, embarasse them infront of the press, players would stop diving and cheating because, if they were called on it right after the game and made to look a fool, they wouldn't do it in the first place.
 
Yea i know, 2 (maybe 3) potential bookable challenges and refs often give you the benefit of the doubt there is no problems with him not getting sent off, just pointing out that Davies wasn't the only 1 throwing his weight around.

Regarding Davies and what Big Sam was talking about prior to the Liverpool game (stuff about Rafa saying there are difference rules when you play Bolton); Davies elbows Hyypia and breaks his nose and Hyppia gets booked :rolleyes::confused:
 
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weringo said:
Hitting Fergie with this charge will hardly make up for the countless decisions that go your way. The FA are addressing the wrong problem.

How many penalties have you had against you this season?
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Its the same for all of the top 4 though. How many times has carrager rode his luck this year. How unlucky were Everton against liverpool.

Its just the way it goes sometimes, it's no excuse to verbally abuse a ref. I think the refs should be given more power against players and managers with this sort of stuff.

The ref should be given more respect within the game. I certainly wouldn't want the job.
 
but in the case of the pool everton, the ref was demoted to , either no game, or championship game the following weekend, but hsi decision directly effected the outcome of the game, he made some horrific decisions, but a week off and thats the "punishment" if you can call it that, that they recieve. its a joke. refs get something wrong, theres no reprecussions, theres nothing. they screw up, they go on, they screw up again, they go on, they screw up again they go on. its beyond a joke how bad refereeing has gotten now, with 2 three options for fixing it fairly easy to implement, i see the red flag system as completely foolproof, will cost basically nothing to implement, yet they haven't done a thing.

what if the difference from that pool vs everton game is , pool winning the league by one point, when they shouldn't have 2 points from that game. or everton are 1 point shy of hitting europe, which they should have gotten. yes crap referee's even out to a degree, but theres nothing to say derby won't be on the wrong end in every game and they get completely ridiculous treatment all year.


i'm all for ref's getting more respect in the game, but first of all i'm massively for ref's earning that respect. right now they are basically immune to punishment of any kind , are free to make any mistakes they wish without fear of losing their jobs. they effect games dramatically with poor decisions. once they improve, then crack down on people that get mad at the incompetant fools.
 
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