UFC 78 - Bisping vs Evans

[jdderbys]

So wrestling isnt dominate in the latest UFC's

Josh Koscheck - Dominated most bouts by lay and prey
GSP - Overpowered hughes and koscheck using his wrestling ability from training with the canadian national team
Hughes - Enough Said
Couture - Obviously wrestling over most opponants
Fedor Emelianenko - Dominant wrestler with great ground and pound from wrestling takedowns
Josh Barnett - Wrestler first and foremost with improved standup.
Rampage - Got into mma as an amature wrestler and had only ever wrestled on his KOTC debut. Yes he has power but uses wrestling in 90% of his bouts when evenly matched as its where he came from.
Dan Henderson - Wrestler in nearly all pride bouts and early training partner of Coutures when they focused on wrestling and positioning for submission defence (see the documentary 'fight')
Rashad Evans - Undeafeated lay and prey artist
Paulo Filho - Dominant wrestler with improved submissions
Matt Lindland - Olympic alternative and best MW in the world
Diego Sanchez - Isnt great at standup. dominated with wrestling aggresion and cardio but has been exposed now people realise his wreslting wasnt actually that good
Jake Shields - Wrestler with great ground control from the back!
Sean Sherk - Obvious
Urijah Faber - College wrestling coach
Frankie Edgar - Dominated one of the best well rounded 155ers with wrestling last bout. NCAA devision one wrestler

Now thats just a list of those successfull in the last 3 years. I think you will find that any wrestler who learns submission defence tends to win over JJ guys. Thats why there are significantly less submission victories nowadays and the most common are guillentine (strength cannot defend), RNC (technique over strength), Kimora (positioning with leveage strength).

Yes boxers have the ability for a one punch knockout and JJ guys have a good change for a quick submission but MMA since 96 has been dominated by the wrestlers. Its why most MMA fighters train with dominant wrestlers.

When met Jeff Monson he said the biggest problem he had were wrestlers who could overpower his posioning and take away his hip movement. This was before the Silvia fight when he found out he wasnt great defending the jab also!

 

[McBain]

So wrestling isnt dominate in the latest UFC's

Josh Koscheck - Dominated most bouts by lay and prey
GSP - Overpowered hughes and koscheck using his wrestling ability from training with the canadian national team
Hughes - Enough Said
Couture - Obviously wrestling over most opponants
Fedor Emelianenko - Dominant wrestler with great ground and pound from wrestling takedowns
Josh Barnett - Wrestler first and foremost with improved standup.
Rampage - Got into mma as an amature wrestler and had only ever wrestled on his KOTC debut. Yes he has power but uses wrestling in 90% of his bouts when evenly matched as its where he came from.
Dan Henderson - Wrestler in nearly all pride bouts and early training partner of Coutures when they focused on wrestling and positioning for submission defence (see the documentary 'fight')
Rashad Evans - Undeafeated lay and prey artist
Paulo Filho - Dominant wrestler with improved submissions
Matt Lindland - Olympic alternative and best MW in the world
Diego Sanchez - Isnt great at standup. dominated with wrestling aggresion and cardio but has been exposed now people realise his wreslting wasnt actually that good
Jake Shields - Wrestler with great ground control from the back!
Sean Sherk - Obvious
Urijah Faber - College wrestling coach
Frankie Edgar - Dominated one of the best well rounded 155ers with wrestling last bout. NCAA devision one wrestler

Now thats just a list of those successfull in the last 3 years. I think you will find that any wrestler who learns submission defence tends to win over JJ guys. Thats why there are significantly less submission victories nowadays and the most common are guillentine (strength cannot defend), RNC (technique over strength), Kimora (positioning with leveage strength).

Yes boxers have the ability for a one punch knockout and JJ guys have a good change for a quick submission but MMA since 96 has been dominated by the wrestlers. Its why most MMA fighters train with dominant wrestlers.

When met Jeff Monson he said the biggest problem he had were wrestlers who could overpower his posioning and take away his hip movement. This was before the Silvia fight when he found out he wasnt great defending the jab also!

I could write a similar, if not larger list of fighters that have actually accomplished something in the UFC of merit recently via standup, or BJJ.

What i'm saying is, how many fights have been won via TKO/KO/Submission from striking and BJJ? Compared to fights that have been won via wrestling? I am fairly confident it'd be a one sided stat affair, which suggests to me that Wrestling is far from the most dominant ability in MMA.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree tbh, one thing is for sure and can't be disputed, striking certainly is the more exciting over wrestling

 

[jdderbys]

When people skills match up evenly i.e. striker vs striker or grappler vs grappler the one who wins is usually the one with the better wrestling. MMA scoring is rediculas. Takedowns shouldnt count for much but they do.

I striker Vs grapper again tends to win based on the wrestling. The JJ guy needs to be able to get the striker to the ground and needs wrestling ability to get there. The striker needs good wresling too stuff the takedown (sprawl is a primary wrestling move) and keep his back off the cage.

Therefore wrestling dominates the skill set

 

[XZiBIT]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree tbh, one thing is for sure and can't be disputed, striking certainly is the more exciting over wrestling

Hence why bjj doesn't do so well anymore due to the constant standups and 5 min rounds. Everyone wants to see a knockout :/

Rampage - Got into mma as an amature wrestler and had only ever wrestled on his KOTC debut. Yes he has power but uses wrestling in 90% of his bouts when evenly matched as its where he came from.

I wouldn't say that rampage is 90% wrestling though, Did you ever see his 1st fight in KOTC ? I bet he couldn't walk for a month after that

I don't think we can really say a certain style has dominated, a good few of those listed fighters haven't fought in the UFC for awhile anyway.