'Muhammad' teddy teacher arrested

[Werewolf]

I feel that it's only fair that we should reciprocate the sentiment and kick out any Sudanese National that breaks our laws! Let's see the collection of muppets that we refer to as a government do that!

We do actually if the offence is serious enough....


From what I've heard and understand the law that was broken was nothing to do with democracy but to do with preventing insults to the primary religion of the country - we have a few similar laws in the U.K. (blasphemy is I believe still on the books under some circumstances, or only recently repealed*).

The punishments available vary in range much as they in the UK (even if they vary in the actual punishment), look at the way a British court might deal with an burglary case, it can vary between a fine, being put on probation, sent to jail etc depending on how serious it is, and what intent there was behind it.

The court has found her guilty, which technically she almost certainly was (you don't need intent to be guilty of many offences in the UK either**), and handed her what was probably about the lowest sentence they could for a guilty verdict.

The deportation is probably standard for any foreigner who has been found guilty of an offence that has led to jail.

It's also worth noting that by the sounds of it the court was caught up in the middle of a struggle between hard-line Muslims and the more modern thinking/soft-line muslims, and presumably under a lot of political pressure to give her a sentance that could be seen as an example if she was found guilty.


But ignore all this, after all we all know johnny foreigner is always wrong, all Muslims are wannabe suicide bombers from the 11th century and British law is perfect and the best in the world..

*I believe we still have some "Church" law offences, that only apply when the offence takes place in a Church of England.

**A number of motoring offences will get you done, even if there was never any intention to carry them out (speeding and drunk driving for example).

 

[wozzizname]

The Sudanese govt are probably hoping that all the westerners will withdraw from their country following this ruling, so they can get back to killing lots of their own people in the Darfur region in peace.

 

[atpbx]

Judge has played a blinder with this one.

Well done to him, appeased the nutcases and the uk.

Thumbs up to him.

 

[Gilly]

Judge by actions, not words. Whether or not they say they implement Islamic Law is neither here nor there - what should be looked at is if their Law is actaully Islamic or not. Whether the rulings they make are those that would be allowed in Islam or not.

Who decides whether the implementation of law is Islamic or not? In Catholicism you have the Pope who will ex-communicate countries or leaders of countries for not following doctrine closely enough. Who does this for Islam? Genuine question, I don't know where the power base for the religion is (if there is one).

If there isn't one, how would you propose stopping the Sudanese leadership party from continuing to state that they follow Islamic laws when according to certain posts in this thread they appear not to be?

 

[badbob]

Teachers at the school said Gibbons had asked her class of 7-year-olds to choose their favourite name for the teddy bear, and 20 of the 23 had voted for Mohammad.

Brainwashing at it's finest....is that all Islamic people think about?
Wake up- RELIGION!

 

[tb2000]

Brainwashing at it's finest....is that all Islamic people think about?
Wake up- RELIGION!

Yup, just another form of mind control. And i'm not saying this about Islam in particular, I'm saying it's all religions.

 

[Sinny]

Does anyone know what the Embassy or whoever deals with foreign affairs is handling this, This is pretty terrible in this day in age, kind of reminds me of the Jehovas witnesses not allowing Blood Transfusions, id go to hell and live with the consequences.

Mohammed is a pretty popular name today along the Muslim religeon, its not as if she was commiting a murder, I still cant beleive we have problems in multicultural societys today.

 

[Sinny]

Teachers at the school said Gibbons had asked her class of 7-year-olds to choose their favourite name for the teddy bear, and 20 of the 23 had voted for Mohammad.
Brainwashing at it's finest....is that all Islamic people think about?
Wake up- RELIGION!

If i was deeply into religeon and someone called my God Mad then i certainly would be angry

 

[Nullvoid]

Brainwashing at it's finest....is that all Islamic people think about?
Wake up- RELIGION!

Even if you eradicated religion completely you'd never eradicate the sheep-like/brainwashed behaviour that it is so well designed to cater for. I mean look at the hold football has over vast swathes of the UK population.

 

[Gilly]

Even if you eradicated religion completely you'd never eradicate the sheep-like/brainwashed behaviour that it is so well designed to cater for. I mean look at the hold football has over vast swathes of the UK population.

I don't think you can compare football and religion.

Football makes sense.

 

[Brownpants]

I'm flying to Khartoum in 10 hours, should i take my new friend?

 

[Dingo]

But please gentleman, be rest assured, this decision has nothing to do with Islam, Muhhamed (pbuh) or his teachings.......it's just some mindless cult that pretends to have Islam at it's core, is backward, does not justify suicide bombing, treats women extremely well and is, above all, a peaceful incantation of the Islamic religion........I'm sure certain members of the forum will concur with me........if it's bad....it has nothing to do with Islam!!

 

[Father Ted]

Football makes sense.

Not if you support Leeds Utd it doesn't...

 

[LordSplodge]

Yup, just another form of mind control. And i'm not saying this about Islam in particular, I'm saying it's all religions.

Please can we not equate religion with mind control. Some people in some religions do it they are called extremists. These are the ones you hear about on TV. Most followers of a religion are peaceful people.

I know that my religion has no form of mind control. Hell people who follow the same path can't agree what is correct!

If i was deeply into religeon and someone called my God Mad then i certainly would be angry

Depending on my mood or how well things are going I call my gods all kind of names.

Trust me, other people can call my back-of-the-fag-packet religion all the names under the sun and name teddy bears after any of my gods. Doesn't bother me one bit.

So I should go to the Sudan and convert them all to Paganism in the name of world peace.

Getting this upset about the name of a teddy bear needs the rolleyes gif that vomits rolleyes.

 

[MHayes]

I am glad they haven't decided to lash her, if they had I am sure the Gov would step in.

Maybe it is wrong to use our power to bully other nations but who cares, we can so we should to uphold our morals.

 

[@if ®afiq]

Who decides whether the implementation of law is Islamic or not? In Catholicism you have the Pope who will ex-communicate countries or leaders of countries for not following doctrine closely enough. Who does this for Islam? Genuine question, I don't know where the power base for the religion is (if there is one).

That is the biggest problem. Ever since the Ottomon Empire was dismantled and carved up into what we have in the ME now, the central authority (which is a neccesity for a cross-national movement/ideology) was removed and the countries in question applied what they feel to be the correct Law.

Take SA as an excellent example. I think nearly everyone is in unanimous decision that they have some of the most obscure Laws and practices, but some of these Law's actually go against some of the fundamentals of Islam. A case in point being shrines and graves of those that lived at the time of the Prophet Muhammed. Not only can you get punished for visiting these places but the authorites have proceeded to knock them down and (from what I remember) even built a urinal on one site. This is what they feel to be correct according to Islamic Law, but ask anyone who is not a Wahabi how they feel about this and they will tell you in disgusts them.

I firmly believe that Islamic Law is quite progressive, but it is the minds that apply it that are not. Take for example the apostacy law. It is my belief that this law was used at the start of Islam to gaurd against the very real threat of subversion, people coverting to Islam and then reverting in order to cause confusion and dissent i.e. high treason. What's more there is no such ruling in the Qur'an and nor did the Prophet carry out such a punishment in his life - yet this Law is held as being unquestionable by many countries. (Excellent link)

If there isn't one, how would you propose stopping the Sudanese leadership party from continuing to state that they follow Islamic laws when according to certain posts in this thread they appear not to be?

I would hope that actions and not worda are judged. If a country was truly Islamic they would not be carrying out genocide for a start - I think that in itself is pretty damning evidence as to how Islamically inclined they are....unless of course you believe that we are all savages and this is our way of life.

 

[Banzai_Joe]

Here's my take on it.
The kids name a teddy bear mohammed.....BIG DEAL!!!
But...how the hell can anyone take offense at it. They surely named it affectionately. What child would name a teddy after someone/thing they hated???!

These 3rd world people are about as dumb as mother nature can provide.

This is how much i know about mohammed....He was a good boxer in his day!
The god? Mohammed was a moron......and his followers are even more retarded if they think its fine to dish out justice in this way!
For the love of [something more respectful than mohammed, a cockraoche perhaps] this is about a woman and some kids choosing a name for a stuffy cuddly toy.
Anyone who even says "well she should have know better" or "she made a stupid mistake".............well go drop dead!
In the 21st century this should not happen anywhere.
A pox on all these nations and religions that are willing to harm a woman just because their feelings are unintentionally hurt by proxy!!!!!!

 

[wordy]

It's perfectly simple, this is a stupid law being enforced by idiots.

Not all Muslims are like this and the vast majority just want to live their lives in peace. Same as the vast majority of westerners.

The ones who support this ridiculous law and punishment are the ones who deserve our contempt not normal peace loving muslims the world over.

 

[Richdog]

The god? Mohammed was a moron......and his followers are even more retarded if they think its fine to dish out justice in this way!

He was a prophet, not a God.

 

[Banzai_Joe]

without going too far into the beliefs/philosophies of mohammed the blah blah....if all muslims pray to him and hold him in devine status, then why do they not all share the same beliefs.
I know you could say the same about christians, but christians are just a joke, they believe whatever they feel meets their needs at that time and ARE NOT to be taken seriously in any shape or form.
I thought mohammed followers were fanatical the world over. They seem to like blowing **** up!