What do you Believe

Sic said:
see, that explanation just doesn't hold water with me


normally I'd let that go - but I'm afraid you can't go round calling other people dumb when you spell the same word correctly and incorrectly in the same sentence
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if you looked at my post it was corrected immediately after i posted. stop trying to be a wise ass
 
Squark said:
I find it strange that no-one says anything about everybody else's beliefs, but mine get several replies!
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BTW those quotes are about the Old Testament Jewish law, not the commands of God
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They are from the Christian Bible, who exactly is it that decides which bits of it you ignore?
 
AthlonTom said:
Hang on - wasn't the bible put together by constantine to unite his people?
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Yep. And there was over 30 gospels originally, all written hundred of years after the death of jesus, mostly totally contradictive of each other, and remarkably similar to texts of much older religious movements. The romans merely picked the few that seemed to match up pretty well for inclusion in the bible.
 
Sic said:
how come it's still incorrect then. seems like I'm trying and succeeding.
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I would say your just being piccy


Look at Hawkins - cant even wipe his own arse, no one calls him dumb.

I can't spell - I'm not dumb.

That guy can't spell - you knew what he meant - so it doesn't matter, shifting debate focus is bad sport!
 
jbloggs said:
Sin/evil has no existence by itself, it is simply an attitude of mind that a free will creature can choose.......:)
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Basically, sin is disobedience of God, choosing to accept the rule of death rather than the rule of life, found in God.
 
Sic said:
that depends if you believe in free will. God created the earth and bad things happen here.
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Free will is no answer either. Free will is just choice. What you chose from is the point. As the Creator of everything, all the infinite choices must stem from God, either that or he is not truely omnipotent. Hence the concept of good and evil stems from God and he gave us free will to chose which path we take. Free will doesn't explain how the choice of evil got there in the first place.

Sic said:
Do you really think that picking holes in other people's beliefs will make them believe them any less?
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No. It is just curiosity that makes me ask the questions.
 
I got into a lot of trouble in highschool (was a Christian school) for saying that all major religions are just cults that 'got it right', lol
 
I personally dont beleive in god at all, i think its a bit stupid tbh, i dont beleive in any religion, i beleive that there was a good guy called jesus who was around, but he wasent the son of god and probably just wanted attention, Islam is also stupid, its just an excuse for blowing people up and wipping people for calling teddys mohamed (btw im going to name my next pet that :p).

I beleive in science, the big bang, evolution, and that when you die thats it, your gone.
 
neoduder said:
They are from the Christian Bible, who exactly is it that decides which bits of it you ignore?
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Its not about choosing what to ignore, its about taking it for what it is. The law, as written in the Old Testament was for the Israelite people, to keep them set apart for God, and seen as different to the people about them.

The law is Impossible to keep, and serves to show us our need for Jesus.

If we were capable of keeping the law then there would be no need for Jesus as we would be able to earn our own salvation. But because we fail, we need the forgiveness that flows from the death and resurrection of Jesus, because, out of love for us all, he took our sin upon himself, that we might accept it and be restored to our relationship with God, which we had until the fall in the garden.
 
I believe that religion(concept) is the best device for creating a socially adept society. I think the concept of religion would have never of been invented if hadn't been for some perpetual fall in society way back when and mankind is doomed to failure if it isn't held by some sort of commonality(apart from being human). That said I think science and knowledge is the best way of building the basis of religion and society should be held on it. Unfortunetely it is the differences between and within religions which causes conflicts but imo the damage would be far greater if the world was based around no religion.
 
Squark said:
Its not about choosing what to ignore, its about taking it for what it is. The law, as written in the Old Testament was for the Israelite people, to keep them set apart for God, and seen as different to the people about them.

The law is Impossible to keep, and serves to show us our need for Jesus.

If we were capable of keeping the law then there would be no need for Jesus as we would be able to earn our own salvation. But because we fail, we need the forgiveness that flows from the death and resurrection of Jesus, because, out of love for us all, he took our sin upon himself, that we might accept it and be restored to our relationship with God, which we had until the fall in the garden.
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But is it, or is it not the same god?
 
Squark said:
Its not about choosing what to ignore, its about taking it for what it is. The law, as written in the Old Testament was for the Israelite people, to keep them set apart for God, and seen as different to the people about them.

The law is Impossible to keep, and serves to show us our need for Jesus.

If we were capable of keeping the law then there would be no need for Jesus as we would be able to earn our own salvation. But because we fail, we need the forgiveness that flows from the death and resurrection of Jesus, because, out of love for us all, he took our sin upon himself, that we might accept it and be restored to our relationship with God, which we had until the fall in the garden.
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Wait, so humans aren't able to abide by the laws God gave, and as such Jesus exists as a get out of jail free card?
 
Does the Roman Cathloic church actively recruit paedophiles or is it just part of the training?

I heard of a paedophile once who applied to join the priesthood, he was turned down as there were only vacancies for priests left.
 
Squark said:
Its not about choosing what to ignore, its about taking it for what it is. The law, as written in the Old Testament was for the Israelite people, to keep them set apart for God, and seen as different to the people about them.

The law is Impossible to keep, and serves to show us our need for Jesus.

If we were capable of keeping the law then there would be no need for Jesus as we would be able to earn our own salvation. But because we fail, we need the forgiveness that flows from the death and resurrection of Jesus, because, out of love for us all, he took our sin upon himself, that we might accept it and be restored to our relationship with God, which we had until the fall in the garden.
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Nice one mate - said it better than I ever could :) You seem very confident in your theology, might I enquire as to whether you have had any special training (priest, vicar etc.) or are you a lay person?
 
Perplexed said:
Free will is no answer either. Free will is just choice. What you chose from is the point. As the Creator of everything, all the infinite choices must stem from God, either that or he is not truely omnipotent. Hence the concept of good and evil stems from God and he gave us free will to chose which path we take. Free will doesn't explain how the choice of evil got there in the first place.
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True, God is good, he is the source of goodness. No evil stems from God though, it cant, or God is a liar, and if God is a liar then my faith is worthless.

You choose to accept the rule of God or not, you choose to accept him, or not.

If we don't choose the rule of God then we choose the rule of something else, which is Satan.
 
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