Fuel protest - This Wednesday?

AJUK said:
We could stop invading and blowing the crap out of countries for the oil in the first place, that would save some money.
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Cost of UK forces in Iraq: circa 1bn per year
Revenue raised by fuel taxes in the UK: circa 25bn per year.

So thats 1bn down, 24bn to go.....got any more ideas?
 
[TW]Fox;10658398 said:
Presumably you can show they do not?
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It was you that suggested that 'we could renationalise spending on the welfare estate and stop giving Government grants to weird and wonderful groups' in order to cut fuel taxes.

If your intent was to persuade me that the above measures could recoup 25Bn quid a year (or a significant proportion thereof) then you're gonna have to come up with some figures.....
 
[TW]Fox;10658434 said:
Where does 25Bn a year come from? I dont think anyone here is advocating removing fuel duty completely.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrocarbon_oil_duty

Of course not, but presumably those who complain about high fuel tax wont be mollified by a 0.1p cut, will they?

I just think its easy to say 'We should pay less tax'. Its harder to say how one would bring such things about.

If it was easy to cut taxes then we'd all be living in a utopian world with a 10% flat tax, filled with gingerbread houses and grass made from candyfloss....
 
Are you saying iraq is one of the biggest producers ?

It has one of the biggest reserves, but i don't think its one of the biggest producers.

And its about securing the reserves.
 
Kol said:
I wouldn't call it ridiculous, no. The fuel companies inevitably sell more fuel as everyone panics, even those that don't need it buy because they have no idea how long the protet will last. We can assume a day or two at most, with the anti-terrorism laws that halted it last time, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't last quite so long this time. So, essentially, the fuel companies have 'sold out of fuel' at all their stations in a day. Pretty impressive IMO. Considering all those people you mention should be taking part in the protest, why should they need to fill up early? They shouldn't be driving anywhere, that's the point. It brings the country to a standstill and therefore proves a point.

Also, you seem to have taken my post totally wrong. I AGREE with fuel protests, I just disagree with EVERYONE filling up a day before and lining their pockets. Stage a proper fuel protest where no one buys fuel. Not a faux protest where everyone buys Wednesdays fuel on Tuesday. If everyone does that,no point is proven apart from the fuel pump attendent having to press his little button a lot less that day.

edit - Seems like myself and a fair few of the motors forum agree with the point I make about panic buying http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17814199
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But it doesn't really yield extra profit for the fuel company, merely a skew in the distribution of petrol sales. If people panic buy on Tuesday they aren't going to need a fill up for longer. Infact it may even decrease their income as a sizeable protest may prevent many from doing unnecessary journeys.

Only way the fuel companies would make money is if they anticipate a protest on Wednesday, and increase prices on Tuesday when everyone is panic buying.
 
Visage said:
Right, so we solve the high cost of fuel by demolishing one of the worlds largest producers of oil and then not bothering to rebuild it?

Genius.
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Quite the opposite, I am suggesting we shouldn't create the problems in the first place. Taxes wouldn't be so high overall if our governments stopped such costly endeavours. :)
 
Kol said:
I wouldn't call it ridiculous, no. The fuel companies inevitably sell more fuel as everyone panics, even those that don't need it buy because they have no idea how long the protet will last. We can assume a day or two at most, with the anti-terrorism laws that halted it last time, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't last quite so long this time. So, essentially, the fuel companies have 'sold out of fuel' at all their stations in a day. Pretty impressive IMO. Considering all those people you mention should be taking part in the protest, why should they need to fill up early? They shouldn't be driving anywhere, that's the point. It brings the country to a standstill and therefore proves a point.

Also, you seem to have taken my post totally wrong. I AGREE with fuel protests, I just disagree with EVERYONE filling up a day before and lining their pockets. Stage a proper fuel protest where no one buys fuel. Not a faux protest where everyone buys Wednesdays fuel on Tuesday. If everyone does that,no point is proven apart from the fuel pump attendent having to press his little button a lot less that day.

edit - Seems like myself and a fair few of the motors forum agree with the point I make about panic buying http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17814199
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I think you've missed my point. Just because everyone goes out and fills up on Friday rather than wait until nearly empty, it doesn't "help the company" or "line their pockets" in any way. If anything it will reduce their profits as they will run out pretty quick and will have to close the pumps until they can get a refill. The people who filled up early won't need to fill up again for a while. It's just giving them some of next weeks revenue today.

I think we're both agreed that the fuel protests are a good idea. Something has to be done to curb the crazy prices. I'd be well up for a countrywide protest blockading Downing Street, the refineries, all the major trunk roads etc for as long as it took for Gordon Bean to back down. The funniest thing is the Bank of England cutting the base rate by 0.25%. Talk about pander to the press & politicians rather than stick to the mandate.
 
Kol said:
I wouldn't call it ridiculous, no. The fuel companies inevitably sell more fuel as everyone panics, even those that don't need it buy because they have no idea how long the protet will last. We can assume a day or two at most, with the anti-terrorism laws that halted it last time, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't last quite so long this time. So, essentially, the fuel companies have 'sold out of fuel' at all their stations in a day. Pretty impressive IMO. Considering all those people you mention should be taking part in the protest, why should they need to fill up early? They shouldn't be driving anywhere, that's the point. It brings the country to a standstill and therefore proves a point.

Also, you seem to have taken my post totally wrong. I AGREE with fuel protests, I just disagree with EVERYONE filling up a day before and lining their pockets. Stage a proper fuel protest where no one buys fuel. Not a faux protest where everyone buys Wednesdays fuel on Tuesday. If everyone does that,no point is proven apart from the fuel pump attendent having to press his little button a lot less that day.

edit - Seems like myself and a fair few of the motors forum agree with the point I make about panic buying http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17814199
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Yup also fuel is the one commodity where you pay a couple of weeks in advance of usage.

A better protest would actually be a general strike where no one went to work nor used their cars.
 
http://www.transaction-2007.com/

The following statement is released on 10th December 2007 at 10:15Hrs

Transaction2007 have decided to release the date and time of protest action earlier than scheduled. This is to enable the motorist and public to better prepare themselves for the coming action.

A date of Saturday 15th December 2007 at 10:00am has been decided for protest action. This date was decided by members as the best possible to enable those who would normally be working during the week to attend. This action will be initiated at a refinery or storage depot somewhere near you. Anyone wishing to support action is requested to make your way there at the alotted time. Transaction again wish to emphasise the importance of legal protesting.

"TransAction 2007"
Telephone: 07717 075917
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