Imitation Samurai swords too be banned!!

[scorza]

Almost anything can be used to injure or kill someone. Does this mean that everything that doesn't have a legitimate every day use should be banned?

You're quite right, almost anything can be used as a weapon. The point is however, that guns and swords have no other use other than as a weapon, and therefore need to be controlled. Kitchen knives*, motorbikes, bricks are not dangerous weapons although they all can be used to kill people.

*I read a while back that doctors were asking the government to ban kitchen knives with points, after chefs agreed that the point was not necessary. Another sensible bit of legislation then imo - I hope it goes through.

 

[Stolly]

Yet they were used in an estimated 80 attacks last year resulting in 5 deaths. Sounds dangerous to me. I'd favour banning real samurai swords as well, except for museums.

There's something a bit creepy about people who collect real samurai swords too - Bob Crow for example.

Do you actually think that someone who has decided to assault someone is doing so because they have a sword, or they are just using the sword because its what came to hand first ?

Because its the latter, this ban will do nothing. They will just find something else. What next ? I've already read of people saying kitchen knives should be banned and replaced with a non pointy tool.

I refute entirely that this kneejerk ban culture will have any effect on the root causes of any social problem.

 

[Inquisitor]

Yes. What will they do to me? hunt me down and hack off my arms and legs? point proved.

You really blew his argument out of the water then. Way to go.

(What? Your post makes no sense.)

 

[scorza]

Then I guess Martial artists would favor hunting you down for ruining their sport

LOL and you're suggesting that these people should be allowed to own real samurai swords?

 

[badbob]

Better ban these now..

http://www.decoratingdirect.co.uk/viewprod/b/BENWBH60/
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http://www.cooks-knives.co.uk/
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twine
= Home made spear.

 

[Dingleberry88]

Then I guess Martial artists would favor hunting you down for ruining their sport

Good job they wouldn't have swords then!

 

[platypus]

*I read a while back that doctors were asking the government to ban kitchen knives with points, after chefs agreed that the point was not necessary. Another sensible bit of legislation then imo - I hope it goes through.

Christ, we're already bogged down in far more legislation then we possibly need, with Labour seemingly intent on adding legislation for every part of life.

It's just another pointless reaction.

 

[Stolly]

You're quite right, almost anything can be used as a weapon. The point is however, that guns and swords have no other use other than as a weapon, and therefore need to be controlled. Kitchen knives*, motorbikes, bricks are not dangerous weapons although they all can be used to kill people.

*I read a while back that doctors were asking the government to ban kitchen knives with points, after chefs agreed that the point was not necessary. Another sensible bit of legislation then imo - I hope it goes through.

Sooner or later when everything is banned and people still kill other people with rocks or their bare hands maybe we can ban the people who wanted to ban everything.

 

[Inquisitor]

You're quite right, almost anything can be used as a weapon. The point is however, that guns and swords have no other use other than as a weapon, and therefore need to be controlled. Kitchen knives*, motorbikes, bricks are not dangerous weapons although they all can be used to kill people.

If everyone felt that way then no one would be complaining. Clearly some people do have uses for them: they enjoy collecting them and just having them I guess, which is fair enough – the onus is not on them to justify that.

 

[badbob]

LOL and you're suggesting that these people should be allowed to own real samurai swords?

Actually yes, I know of a Dojo that does life weapons training...there is no point practising with plastic blades. Would a attacker use one? Nope.

Are you now saying martial artists are nutters too? Perhaps self defence classes should be banned as well..

The point is however, that guns and swords have no other use other than as a weapon

Wrong. Have you ever seen a collection? (of anything) to gun and sword collectors there collection is no different to a stamp, comic or star wars statue collection. It's only paranoid people like you who think they're ticking time bombs, and gullible swallowing the goverment statement they are.

 

[MookJong]

Totally pathetic nanny state quick fix law, that solves nothing.

How about tackling the question of why people go around killing eachother and leave sword collectors in peace.

 

[scorza]

Do you actually think that someone who has decided to assault someone is doing so because they have a sword, or they are just using the sword because its what came to hand first ?

I think that having a weapon handy can cause the owner to gain a feeling of empowerment which makes it more likely that they'll resort to violence. You're right that it won't solve the UK's social problems, but it might save someone's life.

 

[benneh]

I sure as hell am not giving up my collection. The police can buy them off me for the full price if they want, otherwise they are staying where they are.

Same here .

I do think that it's very silly. There at ten million ways to kill a person, and if someone wishes to harm others banning one method isn't going to solve the problem. They will just resort to other forms of violence.

 

[Stolly]

I think that having a weapon handy can cause the owner to gain a feeling of empowerment which makes it more likely that they'll resort to violence. You're right that it won't solve the UK's social problems, but it might save someone's life.

The point, which you appear to have missed, is that if they didn't have a sword they may have a knife, screwdriver, hammer, baseball bat, stick, rock or something else.

We now have reduced the ways of killing someone from 1,000,000 to 999,999. Go you.

 

[Things change I've changed]

Good job they wouldn't have swords then!

the way things are going the I can foresee the government bringing in new legislation, I can see it being announced now, "Anyone found using a part of their body as a weapon will be humanely disabled and they will be banned from having that body part." .

 

[Raikiri]

Anyone know where I can buy one of these before they are banned?

I was just about to do the same.

I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to understand that dangerous weapons are best kept away from the general public.

Damn near anything is dangerous in the right (well, wrong) hands. Looking around my room there's about 50 things I could kill you with if I wanted to, only two of them are supposed to be weapons/tools.

And these 'display swords' do have another use, the clue is in the name.

 

[scorza]

The point, which you appear to have missed, is that if they didn't have a sword they may have a knife, screwdriver, hammer, baseball bat, stick, rock or something else.

As those things all have other uses, I suggest that they don't offer the owner the same feeling of empowerment.

 

[badbob]

As those things all have other uses, I suggest that they don't offer the owner the same feeling of empowerment.

I say they do. Give a baseball bat to a footbal thug...

after chefs agreed that the point was not necessary

And I say they don't. Knives should be banned, because someone could stab someone...doesn't matter if it'll effect millions of other people trying to cut the sunday roast. A mum is obviously a nutter if she wants a large knife.

 

[scorza]

Actually yes, I know of a Dojo that does life weapons training...there is no point practising with plastic blades. Would a attacker use one? Nope.

Brilliant. Would an attacker use a plastic blade? That's the best justification you can come up with as to why people should be allowed to own samurai swords, and presumably carry them around with you since if you get attacked with a non-plastic blade walking down the street you'll need your ninja-sword to defend yourself.

I'd love to see this real life sword using dojo in action - what's the betting that it's more akin to a choreography class than proper "martial arts"

Are you now saying martial artists are nutters too? Perhaps self defence classes should be banned as well..

In my experience, with one or two notable exceptions, the martial artists I've had dealings with have all been complete idiots - congratz on increasing that pool of people by one.

 

[scorza]

And I say they don't. Knives should be banned, because someone could stab someone...doesn't matter if it'll effect millions of other people trying to cut the sunday roast. A mum is obviously a nutter if she wants a large knife.

You don't "cut" (do you mean carve?) the Sunday roast with the point of a knife