Many people would back raising the alcohol age limit to 21

crowhorse · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:33

Ulfhedjinn said:
While we're at it I'd like to see the age of consent raised to 18 or 21 too.

What the heck is going on with all the anti-freedom of choice people in this thread this morning? :eek:

And the age of consent is 16 btw

Darkwave · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:34

crowhorse said:
What the heck is going on with all the anti-freedom of choice people in this thread this morning?

And the age of consent is 16 btw

Re-read my post, I said RAISED TO. You even quoted it.

crowhorse · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:35

Ulfhedjinn said:
I agreed with this sort of statement vehemently for a long time, but suddenly I've realised that it's not that simple. Until we educate the next generation properly, the current generation is going to be full of retards.

I'm all for making life for those retards as difficult as possible, even if I have to make a couple of minor sacrifices.

How's this generation different from the last one?

Hell... at least we're not quite as promiscuous and drugged up as what I am guessing is your generation from the 60s

vincent1989 · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:35

Ulfhedjinn said:
Re-read my post, I said RAISED TO. You even quoted it.

he's all blurry eyed from sleep, forgive him

MookJong · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:36

Slinwagh said:
We need to take the mystery out of having a drink, as much as I hate the french they way they control alcohol is good, education is the long term solution but like lots of other problems the short term sticking plaster approach is the one that will be adopted.

Spot on, yet again we look for a soloution to the problem but never ask why we have the problem in the first place.

Back in the day everyone had a bit of an experiment with alcohol underage, it's a right of passage but these days kids are out there week in week out getting wasted.

There is something much more rotten at the core of society that an age increase is not going to solve.

vincent1989 · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:36

crowhorse said:
How's this generation different from the last one?

Hell... at least we're not quite as promiscuous and drugged up as what I am guessing is your generation from the 60s

hahahahaha lmfao, i'm pretty sure you're wrong

crowhorse · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:37

Ulfhedjinn said:
Re-read my post, I said RAISED TO. You even quoted it.

Ahh... misread... thought you mean from 18-21

To be fair, I can see the sense in raising it to 18 and to "adulthood" - but like the other things, I think making things more 'taboo' for longer will just make the situation worse... basic freedoms will be taken away.

Darkwave · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:40

crowhorse said:
How's this generation different from the last one?

Hell... at least we're not quite as promiscuous and drugged up as what I am guessing is your generation from the 60s

I didn't say this generation was different to the last one, what I said is that this one is stupid and that each generation will continue to be stupid until education and parenting improve.

And what the hell? I was born in the eighties, I turned twenty-two yesterday.

crowhorse said:
To be fair, I can see the sense in raising it to 18 and to "adulthood" - but like the other things, I think making things more 'taboo' for longer will just make the situation worse... basic freedoms will be taken away.

When people raise their kids properly then I will have no quarrel with lowering or even abolishing things like the age of consent or legal drinking age. Unfortunately I'm asking way too much here, it'll take a miracle to get rid of the idiocy, bad parenting and bad education in our culture.

vincent1989 · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:40

in essence it is just more education we need, things like this get pushed to the back shelf, it's a taboo subject, and of course our inquisitive nature leads us to experiment.

from a personal standpoint i'd prefer a permenant ban on alcohol and fags(of the cigarette(sp) variety).

but until such a day as we 'evolve' beyond the need for substances which only destroy i'd be content with the age being raised, provided more education on the subject was given to those under the 'legal' age (which really means nothing in this 'day and age')

Trojan · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:41

I fail to see what the benefits would be for raising the age limit of purchasing alcohol to 21. Anyone care to enlighten me?

bringerofdecay said:
but until such a day as we 'evolve' beyond the need for substances which only destroy

We're going to be drinking alcohol forever more then, given that it doesn't 'only destroy'.

Mephisto · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:41

crowhorse said:
So the magic number 21 means people have suddenly matured?

The reason there is less of a drink problem with people 21+ at the minute... is because the majority of people have drunk so much 18-21 that they're pretty much fed up of it by then & don't drink so much.

Did I say that? I just said by 21 MOST people have matured to a reasonable degree. It could be that they hit that level at 19, 20, 21. Or it might be that they hit it at 22. Most people seem to be fairly mature at that age in my experience.

What else can you do other than specify an age? Run a maturity check on every single person then assign them a rating which depending on the value allows them to buy alcohol or not?

crowhorse · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:42

bringerofdecay said:
he's all blurry eyed from sleep, forgive him

or lack of... lol... woke up at 5 and couldn't get back to sleep again

Still blurry eyed though lol

vincent1989 · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:43

crowhorse said:
or lack of... lol... woke up at 5 and couldn't get back to sleep again

Still blurry eyed though lol

i only had 3 and a half hours, although that afternoon nap i had yesterday is probably why

MookJong · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:44

bringerofdecay said:
but until such a day as we 'evolve' beyond the need for substances which only destroy

That simply isn't true, there are plenty medical studies showing the health benefits of alcohol.

uk_viper · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:44

i'd agree, laws should be a lot stronger in regards to alcohol

Darkwave · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:44

bringerofdecay said:
in essence it is just more education we need, things like this get pushed to the back shelf, it's a taboo subject, and of course our inquisitive nature leads us to experiment.

Bingo, and that lack of education produces bad future parents. Endless cycle of idiocy.

Richdog · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:44

Daveyboyuk said:
I would back raising the drinking age to 21. I would also back banning drinking and smoking, in the grand scheme of things there is no real need for either of them.

It's about choice mate, and personal freedom. You could not ban drinking in this country, it would be next to impossible. Many of the working class get through the day knowing they can go to the pub at the end of the day and sit for a pint with their mates, and you have no right to take that away from them. To say otherwise is complete nonsense.

Slinwagh said:
The problem of the UK drink culture has nothing to do with the age limit required to buy alcohol and everything to do with the notion that everytime you have a drink you need to get wasted.

Spot on. I lived in Germany for 10 years and the difference in attitudes to the Uk about booze is astounding, it makes us look like cavemen.

crowhorse said:
So the magic number 21 means people have suddenly matured?

The reason there is less of a drink problem with people 21+ at the minute... is because the majority of people have drunk so much 18-21 that they're pretty much fed up of it by then & don't drink so much.

lol what rubbish. 21 year olds are generally much more mature than 18 year olds... by that time they are either finishing uni or have been in work for a few years. It's a huge difference. I also don't know any 21 year olds that are fed up of booze that didn't already not drink, you wouldn't unless you had a real problem with it.

vincent1989 · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:44

MookJong said:
That simply isn't true, there are plenty medical studies showing the health benefits of alcohol.

no, there aren't

those particular studies pertain to red wine, red grape juice is just as good

Daveyboyuk · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:45

Just cut the foreplay and ban it, what purpose does it serve other than make people feel good and cause a lot of social problems in the process?

Daveyboyuk · 14 Dec 2007 at 08:48

Richdog said:
It's about choice mate, and personal freedom. You could not ban drinking in this country, it would be next to impossible. Many of the working class get through the day knowing they can go to the pub at the end of the day and sit for a pint with their mates, and you have no right to take that away from them. To say otherwise is complete nonsense.

Class A/B/C drugs are often a choice (ok there maybe exceptions), shall we legalise them?