Extra education would never stop the yob problem.
Many people would back raising the alcohol age limit to 21
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Extra education would never stop the yob problem.
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Yeah & now that it's cold no one pays attention to the minimum distance from the door & with all the extra people smoking on the street you can't easily go outside for fresh air.
A little bit of smoke was good for some places - especially ones with lacklustre cleaning.... I remember going into one place soon after the smoking ban & it reaked of puke and old alcohol. I hate the smell of smoke, but it's better than that!
I was just citing an example of how you can take something away, that's all.[DW]Muffin;10684971 said:
I never said it was a solution or that it would stop a lot of the problem, the social re-engineering would be the solution. Raising legal age limits is simply putting "a band-aid over the bullet hole" until you can get it sorted, saves it getting worse through infection which is what is happening today.[DW]Muffin;10684971 said:And raising the age to 18 for smoking, I still the same amount of kids smoking in the street, after all its only illegal for them to purchase them, not attempt to purchase or actually smoke them.
The loss in taxes of these kids smoking is probably to blame for Duty on fuel rises.
Something for the short term yet in the same statement you say they will always find a way... so that means raising it to 21 won't solve it, actually is has the possibility of making it worse
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I don't see why not. I can't really think of many social problems in this country that can't be blamed on bad education and bad parenting, or bad education on parenting.
This just means less people in pubs and clubs, underage drinkers will still get alcohol else where, infact it's more likely to move drinking on to the streets. It seems silly to me to up the drinking age to 21- if anything, ban it totally. Any idea when this is going to be discussed in parliament? I'm 18 in less that a month 
I need to get some serious drinking hours in if they're going to ban it for under 21's any time soon.
I need to get some serious drinking hours in if they're going to ban it for under 21's any time soon.TBH it's easier to enforce the law if the ones breaking it aren't sheltered in crowded establishments.
Force antisocial drinkers out into the streets and let the police pick them all up.
Is it? What about if the ones breaking it are in a park, on a beach? The sort of places the police are least likely to be on a friday night.
Yeah but how many policemen do you find in clubs and pubs checking for disorderlies?
Not as bad as parents and friends who aren't even trying to pretend they are doing something.
It's unfortunate but the only thing the government can do when nobody else gives a crap is step in and tell people what to do, annoying them in the process. Like I said, sit them in the corner and take away their toys.
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Yeah but how many policemen do you find in clubs and pubs checking for disorderlies?
Not as bad as parents and friends who aren't even trying to pretend they are doing something.
It's unfortunate but the only thing the government can do when nobody else gives a crap is step in, tell people what they can and cannot do, and annoy a whole lot of people. Like I said, sit them in the corner and take away their toys.
Not many, but in Brighton there's police swarming the city centre; literally, a minute won't pass without seeing a van or patrol on a friday/saturday night. Either way it doesn't get rid of the problem, and it seems ridiculous to suggest (which this legislation does) that age is the root of the problem, when it is infact our culture.
Aye it's the same here, the police swarm the Preston city centre but all the yobs are inside pubs and clubs.
There might be a few fights and whatnot outside the club after hours, but most of them seem to leave it until they're outside CCTV range on their way home and away from the jam butty vans.
This is where we shall have to agree to disagree, I think that it will cause more issues to raise to 21, where you think it will help solve the problem in the short term.
Yeah but how many policemen do you find in clubs and pubs checking for disorderlies?
The bouncers do that
Most clubs want it to be an enjoyable experience, so if theres a fight, they're out, and they are clocked for next time.
If they were banned the police would have to keep a presence in the town center for the yobs older then 21 and not at house parties, parks and bus stops arresting people who are not necessarily causing issue but breaking the law no less.
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I vote we abolish the age limit altogether, suddenly it's not cool anymore
As I'm 37 I think 21 is fine
If you were 18 would you want the state to say you cannot drink? Even though, 6 months ago, you could and could manage to not stab someone?
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I genuinely think it would help lower the level of alcohol related injuries, illnesses and behaviour. But then again I'm not a big drinker (actually I've been teetotal for about 3 months now). That's one thing I don't like about this country, the drinking culture, but maybe that's because I come from countries that enjoy a drink more responsibly than my British counterparts. I'd never want drinking to be banned though - I just can't stand seeing people completely off their faces, it's sad and slightly pathetic really. It also makes for a very unpleasant environment.
Even when I was 18 and under I wouldn't be complaining. I never had the "urge" to drink. Perhaps that's because I was allowed to have a beer or some wine as a young lad and learnt to appreciate the drink rather than seeing it as something "cool" to be done. I've never been ill owing to alcohol and I'm proud of that.
Even when I was 18 and under I wouldn't be complaining. I never had the "urge" to drink. Perhaps that's because I was allowed to have a beer or some wine as a young lad and learnt to appreciate the drink rather than seeing it as something "cool" to be done. I've never been ill owing to alcohol and I'm proud of that.
Does anyone recall anything about a citizenship test? I think that's what it's called- but it involved proving you were a responsible decent member of society, and meant you could actually legally drink under 18. I'm not sure if it was passed or not.
Not true at all.
I know plenty of people who have tried to give up smoking but failed, yet those same people have completely given up alcohol easily.
That said, I go out each weekend with a few mates and we go to the pub.
We don't get hammered every weekend; now thats not to say we get drunk - but we don't get so drunk we don't remember what the heck happened.
We're also fine with being able to turn around and say "I'm not drinking tonight" or "I'm only having one or two".
I meet up with a friend of mine each wednesday and we go down our local, he'll have the one pint and I may have one or two. We chat and catch up with each other on whats going on for a few hours and that is that.
I can't see many people who smoke say "I'm only having the one today" or "I'm not having any at all"
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I'm not saying alcohol is not addictive, and it isn't an addiction - I'm just personally saying I don't believe it is equally addictive as smoking (or more addictive).
I don't think it'd solve the problem, I just think it'd help toward decreasing the number of incidents as when I used to go out a lot (~18, college/uni age) I found most trouble makers were students the same age as me.[DW]Muffin;10685076 said:
Don't make me laugh.[DW]Muffin;10685076 said:The bouncers do that
I agree in most situations the bouncers will get it taken out of the clubs but those people will just go and cause trouble away from police presence then. Then next week they'll just move on to a different club or pub and continue to get rat-arsed and cause more trouble.
Drinking in parks and bus stops is illegal regardless.[DW]Muffin;10685076 said:
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TBH it's easier to enforce the law if the ones breaking it aren't sheltered in crowded establishments.
Force antisocial drinkers out into the streets and let the police pick them all up.
Yes that'll solve the problem
Put more people in our already overcrowded prisons for just having a drink... completely ludicrous.
I think all raising the age to 21 would do is increase the amount of underage drinkers. It's not like 18-21 year olds are the only people who cause trouble. It would be such a superficial fix to the problem, the real problem goes much deeper than that.