Spec me a... diesel

What are you going to do after your Fabia hits 3? Surely then you are back in the same boat as you were in with your Bora? Only with £13k less in your bank account. And a more complicated engine.
 
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Been there already - ran a 1.6 Bora from 2000-2005. After 50k in the final 2 years it needed £800 in maintenance. So for the reasons above it had to go.

It's costing me under £60 a month for the fixed costs (tax, insurance and servicing) on the Fabia. A bargaintastic depreciated repmobile would cost less upfront, but would it consistently cost that much to run a month and start every morning for 3+ years?

We'll agree to disagree.

My car instantly fell to pieces when it hit 50k... oh wait.

I don't know exactly what my car costs each month but quite frankly I'd rather pay the extra not to have to drive around in a diesel supermini.
 
[TW]Fox;10721002 said:
From a 90bhp car?

Performance isn't all about the power. It's the performance of that car, it doesn't have to do 0-60 in 6 seconds, or top out at 150mph.

I love the smooth output of our pug, i've been a passenger is a new beemer petrol and it failed to interest me, needed lots of reving.

Hello, my name is Steve, and i like diesels.
 
Keep it. It'll cost a bit more to run as I'll need RAC, but I'll save money on the servicing by using an independent. The Bora ran near faultlessly for 5 years, then it all started wearing out and going wrong. The mortgage cost stays relatively static so requires less % outlay a month. By the time the Fabia costs I'll be able to afford the repairs.
 
Performance isn't all about the power. It's the performance of that car, it doesn't have to do 0-60 in 6 seconds, or top out at 150mph.

Whoa, hang on. Everything is relative. Don't fall into the trap some of the muppets on here fall into where they assume I'm comparing everything to what I drive. This is simply not true. I'm merely thinking about other cars in the 306 range which he could chose instead. Cheifly, the GTi-6. Which I believe would offer him more fun.

I love the smooth output of our pug, i've been a passenger is a new beemer petrol and it failed to interest me, needed lots of reving.

Now I find that hard to believe becuase you know how much I hate stupid uber high revving engines - my hatred for VTEC is well publicised on this forum. A BMW 6 is nothing like it, but I'd really rather this thread didn't degenerate into a BMW arguement becuase I'll just get flamed. BMW Sixes are effortlessly smooth. Infact they are regarded as some of the smoothest engines on the planet.

To say that a 1.9TD offers smooth power delivery where a 6 cylinder BMW does not is ridiculous. Don't forget, I've owned both of those engines. The 1.9TD has its place, but you really are over-egging it a tad here.
 
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My car instantly fell to pieces when it hit 50k... oh wait.

I don't know exactly what my car costs each month but quite frankly I'd rather pay the extra not to have to drive around in a diesel supermini.


Read it again. 50k in the last two years. I had previously done about 7k a year before I got relocated to Scotland with work. Had 75k on the clock when I got rid.
 
Point still applies, my car has nearly 138,000 on the clock (and Fox's has nearly 160k) and both start first time, every time :p
 
Point still applies, my car has nearly 138,000 on the clock (and Fox's has nearly 160k) and both start first time, every time :p

Both our cars have required circa £500 of repairs over the last 12 months, however. Fair enough they were minor age not mileage related jobs but the point still stands. They are not cars to be recommended to or compared with people who are looking at smaller, cheap to run cars.
 
Interesting that you had such a bad experience with a VAG product (£800 of repairs on a 1.6 is quite shocking) yet.. you bought another?
 
Performance isn't all about the power. It's the performance of that car, it doesn't have to do 0-60 in 6 seconds, or top out at 150mph.

I love the smooth output of our pug, i've been a passenger is a new beemer petrol and it failed to interest me, needed lots of reving.

With all due respect mate, it just sounds to me like youve never driven a decent car for any length of time. The peugeot/citroen diesel engine was OK (and still not as good as the petrols of the time) in the early to mid 90's, its not ok now. Its an old incredibly rough and fairly weak engine which belongs in the past, not in cars for proper money.
 
LOL :D

It was mainly the engine electrics that were bust. Needed a new Lambda sensor, coolant temp sensor, crank sensor. The TDI's are proven to be much more reliable than the 4-pot petrols. There was some age related stuff in there too : rear axle bushes were shot and it was due a cambelt IIRC.
 
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[TW]Fox;10721044 said:
Now I find that hard to believe becuase you know how much I hate stupid uber high revving engines - my hatred for VTEC is well publicised on this forum. A BMW 6 is nothing like it, but I'd really rather this thread didn't degenerate into a BMW arguement becuase I'll just get flamed. BMW Sixes are effortlessly smooth. Infact they are regarded as some of the smoothest engines on the planet.

I only used the beemer example as it's the only new car i've ever been in! :p

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To say that a 1.9TD offers smooth power delivery where a 6 cylinder BMW does not is ridiculous. Don't forget, I've owned both of those engines. The 1.9TD has its place, but you really are over-egging it a tad here.

I felt the delivery in both, I prefered the pug, it's as complex as that.
 
But you didn't drive the BMW so how can you tell?! He may have been thrashing it for the sake of it. You certainly don't need to rev it to go anywhere. Most of the time around town I pull away in 2nd..
 
Performance isn't all about the power. It's the performance of that car, it doesn't have to do 0-60 in 6 seconds, or top out at 150mph.

I love the smooth output of our pug, i've been a passenger is a new beemer petrol and it failed to interest me, needed lots of reving.

Doesn't matter what car you have, 90hp is wheezy, mine weights under a tonne and its slow.

Also, I think you will find the rpm figure at which peak bhp is made, is directly proportional the the fun when you press the right pedal down a bit ;)
 
Doesn't matter what car you have, 90hp is wheezy, mine weights under a tonne and its slow.

Also, I think you will find the rpm figure at which peak bhp is made, is directly proportional the the fun when you press the right pedal down a bit ;)

The pug has twice the power of my car! And there is plenty of fun to be had driving it, at times i've got it up to 50mph!
 
[TW]Fox;10721044 said:
To say that a 1.9TD offers smooth power delivery where a 6 cylinder BMW does not is ridiculous. Don't forget, I've owned both of those engines. The 1.9TD has its place, but you really are over-egging it a tad here.

Absolutely spot on Fox.

Comparing my Girlfriends Xantia 1.9TD to my old BMW M52 Straight Six was laughable.

Try balancing a coin on a diesel engine whilst its running! :D

Anyway, diesel fumes give me a real headache and I hate slimey fuel pump handles!!! :mad:

Phil, you walk to work from where you live - why not have something with a nice engine sitting at home waiting for a "short trip" somewhere wehen you walk home at night? ;)

Says the man who swapped his BMW 728i for a Mondeo TD...... :o:p:D
 
[TW]Fox;10720930 said:
But the point is that his initial criteria is based on the misconception that a diesel car is bulletproof and will last for ever and that a petrol car will not.

If his criteria were based on solid reasoning, sure. But they are not. There are things he has not considered :)

Well, i only chose the 306 HDi because...

A) I like the 306
B) i didn't want to insure a GTi-6
 
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