Where do you draw the line though? Let's say it has just been discovered that beating pigs for the last two weeks of their live will produce taster meat. Would you be all for that?
I think force-feeding is very much near the line.
Is Foie Gras naughty?
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Where do you draw the line though? Let's say it has just been discovered that beating pigs for the last two weeks of their live will produce taster meat. Would you be all for that?
I think force-feeding is very much near the line.
Actually that could make it very tender... This needs more research methinks.
I certainly am a predator and I'm certainly at the top of the food chain.
Just because you choose to remove yourself from it. You are still born a predator and you are still born at the top of the food chain. it's up to you too turn your back on it. However I don't. i realise where I come from.
Nope stressed animals produce tougher inferior meat.
Animals should be kept in good relaxed free range conditions. As eh meat tastes batter and is healthier due to lower fat content.
i disagree, we are still part of and top of the food chain, maybe not in a wild survival of the fittest sense but we are still top, that is why we farm animals to provide food
Are you serious? You're not in a food chain, you're not a predator. Going to tescos and buying some meat which someone else killed is not predatorial. You do not live your life based on instinct, you are not an animal. Your existence is not dependant on you hunting for your own food, and your own physical strength.
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No, no and no. We farm animals becuase there is a demand for meat becuase people like to eat it. The fact that our existence and survival is not based off of physical strength and hunting for food - this removes us from a foodchain. Our societal evolution removes us from the foodchain. If you lived in the plains of africa without any shops and you had to rely on your physical strength to catch and hunt for your own survival, MAYBE then would you be in a foodchain.
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But I'm sure it feels like that to certain people after a few beers... *cough*
(Friday night wasn't the best time for this thread)
Why? Who cares if an animal's death is inhumane? We're at the top of the food-chain so it's there [sic] bad luck.
Ha-ha If I'm not an animal what am I?
Yes I am Predatorial. I often kill rabbits with mixi. I've also worked in a slaughter house. So it's not just going to tesco.
Just because we don't have to do it. Doesn't mean that's not what we are.
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Just because we're at the top doesn't mean we don't have to care.
That's my point. Why do you care about a humane death yet not a humane life?
Ha-ha If I'm not an animal what am I?
Yes I am Predatorial. I often kill rabbits with mixi. I've also worked in a slaughter house. So it's not just going to tesco.
Just because we don't have to do it. Doesn't mean that's not what we are.
this is true I am well lubed
Just because we're at the top doesn't mean we don't have to care.
You're human, and you're a sentient being, with a conscience and compassion for life(just some of the things that separate us from being babrians and fighting over scraps of meat in the forest). You're not predatorial. You do not have predatorial instincts, you made a conscious and subjectively unessecary decision to kill an animal. Killing animals in a slaughter house or with your mates is not predatorial. Animals in a slaughterhouse aren't even in an ecosystem- they're bred domestically and therefore aren't part of one anyway.
where did I say that?
I support as humane a life and killing as possible. Sometimes that's not very humane and sometimes that's very humane. It all depends on the circumstances.
i`m sorry but there is a food chain and no matter how domesticated it is through farming we are still top of it, infact farming helps to make us top of it
just because we have the means to control our meat produce does not take us out the chain
I'm human, my eyes like yours are at the front of my head. Excellent for judging distantance and speed. I have a brain to fashion tools and weapons. I am a predator, just like you. We have the instincts.
If we didn't have the instincts. kids who are left on there own wouldn't kill and eat there own food. the predatory angle is taken away from us through education.
I eat quite a lot of meat, although I would say next to 0% is free range. The simple reason is cost, which is a sad reality. I do however push the boat out for the free range eggs. I am however all for the concept of free range meat and I will support it (as hypocritical as that may sound).
As for Foie Gras, I have no problem with people eating it as long as they know where it comes from and understand that. Its something I am curious to try though.
However I would like to think the majority of the country are compassionate enough to care about the lives of the animals that are contributing to their daily feast.
As for Foie Gras, I have no problem with people eating it as long as they know where it comes from and understand that. Its something I am curious to try though.
What? Humans are top of the food chain, fact, social issues or not. We can eat whatever we choose, regardless of whether we need it or not. To look down upon people that eat meat snootily (not saying that you specificly are) if foolish since it is simply the enforcing your values and beliefs, which are fairly irrelevent, on others.
However I would like to think the majority of the country are compassionate enough to care about the lives of the animals that are contributing to their daily feast.
No, what takes us out of the chain is free will and the fact there is no inherent need to eat animals. Foodchains and ecosystems depict the feeding relationships between animal and greenplant species, who RELY on each other for survival.
No, predatorialism is taken away through us being sentient beings and not having to rely on these instincts for survival. These instincts might kick in extreme situations but the fact we live in a civilized society removes any need for it.
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So you like luxuries such as tasty inhumane meat, yet you're prepared to turn your back on your own belief in humane treatment of animals to get it?
That's even worse than not caring in the first place...
We are not in a foodchain as I explained about a thousand times- foodchains and ecosystems depict the feeding relationships between organisms that RELY on each other for survival. Oh and also, seeing as all farmed animals are NOT part of a foodchain as they are bred in controlled and domestic environments; any consumption of these by human beings is completely un predatorial and in no way enforces the idea we exist, or are even at the top of a foodchain.
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No, I'm all for as humane as possible.. What don't you understand about that?
I don't agree with needless harming of animals. But I dobn't expect them to be wrapped up in cotton wool either.
I don't expect tribes to kill the animals humanely and I don't have any problem with that.
I'm for humanely as possible. which is not the same as everything being done humanely.
Of course we are.