Is Foie Gras naughty?
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Bet you would if you had to do it yourself
oh i don't doubt that for a second. i just blank any nastiness out when i eat it though.
Ostrich then.
RDM said:
Penguins use wings to swim but that doesn't mean they evolved wings to be able to swim. More likely is that they adapted to use the wings for a new purpose. Maybe homo sapiens weren't traditionally predators but when we got to the stage where being able to kill animals was a possibility (use of sophisticated tools, etc) we used those features to our advantage, much like the penguin.
That's getting away from the main subject though. Even if we are considered predators (i'm not denying that) we are human because we are able to override our basic instincts.
Therefore the fact that we have the instinct to hunt and kill animals is irrelevant. To submit to these simple urges makes us animals not humans.
Personally I agree, I do not however agree with banning it. If others choose to eat it that is entirely up to them.
Screw the animals!
Bestiality is still illegal right? I hope so
Only for penetrative acts though, so feel free to cuddle and 'stroke' them!
I could go for a nice smooth oily piglet stroke right now.
Part of a family of birds where the wings are becoming increasingly vestigial (the best example being the wingless kiwi, which actually has an awful lot of mammilian features too, bigger than I was expecting too). Poor comparison because our possibly predatory features are not at all vestigial.
Quite possible, but that still makes the species homo sapiens predators, regardless of the original intent of the predatory features. Much like the penguin is now aquatic.
However a better feature to look at would be our teeth. Which are pretty much a typical omnivourous set up. We have grinding/chewing teeth, cutting teeth and tearing teeth. Oportunistic feeders basically, we can eat everything but grass.
Again though this is a personal disctinction. You are making the distinction between human and animal. Personally I would put humans as just another animal with intelligence being one of our identifying traits. Yes we can override instinct but that doesn't stop us being animals, it just stops us being instictive.
There is nothing wrong with eating meat, there is nothing animalistic with eating meat. We don't need to do it, but then we don't need to do a great many things but still do.
What can I say, I am speciest. I put the rights of a person above the rights of other animal species. The duck in this case only exists to provide foie gras.
I have a distinct dislike of forcing morals on to other people, if your argument is sound, convice others that eating it is wrong and the market will take care of itself (i.e. no one will go to the expense of producing a product no one wants). If you can't convince others on the merits of your arguement then you need to work on your argument and not force your views on to other people.
I would have to disagree then, somedays I am pretty sure I have an inherent instinctive need for a nice rare steak...
I agree with you partially, I value the life of a human over any animals- what I don't agree with is the unecessary torture of an animal for the gratification of someones tastebuds. I'm not trying to force my views on anyone, I feel like i've presented a reasonable case for why I think what I think. Not to mention the OP pretty much asked for peoples views on it.
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* Humans are predators
* Humans are animals
* As posted above our teeth are designed to be able to consume meat
* Many predators hunt their prey in different ways: camoflauge, speed, strength, opportunistic. We use our brains to be a predator be it using our intelligence to create and maintain farms or forge weapons to kill our prey with. Merely looking at our physical traits compared to many predators without using our intelligence we are likely to be the dead food.
We are part of the food chain but not at the top, in fact we are at the bottom as the top is reserved for large predators few in number that need lots of energy. We are relatively small predators which are high in population who do not need anywhere near the kind of energy to survive that is required by an animal such as a large shark.
If we have teeth to consume meat, then imagine a time where we didnt have weapons and relied on nothing BUT our physical strength that alone means that we have an instictive need to hunt animals to survive otherwise we would have just lived on greenery and done away with our omnivorous teeth. Not including the fact that an animal provides a lot more energy than most plants that we can consume makes a lot of sense for us to be predatory.
On topic: I had no idea what Foie Gras is until i read this.. If i didnt like duck id say it sounds quite tasty. I for one dont care how anything is made i have no moral concience about how any animal is treated unless it means that the meal im about to eat isn't going to taste as nice as an animal that has been treated differently.
* Humans are animals
* As posted above our teeth are designed to be able to consume meat
* Many predators hunt their prey in different ways: camoflauge, speed, strength, opportunistic. We use our brains to be a predator be it using our intelligence to create and maintain farms or forge weapons to kill our prey with. Merely looking at our physical traits compared to many predators without using our intelligence we are likely to be the dead food.
We are part of the food chain but not at the top, in fact we are at the bottom as the top is reserved for large predators few in number that need lots of energy. We are relatively small predators which are high in population who do not need anywhere near the kind of energy to survive that is required by an animal such as a large shark.
If we have teeth to consume meat, then imagine a time where we didnt have weapons and relied on nothing BUT our physical strength that alone means that we have an instictive need to hunt animals to survive otherwise we would have just lived on greenery and done away with our omnivorous teeth. Not including the fact that an animal provides a lot more energy than most plants that we can consume makes a lot of sense for us to be predatory.
On topic: I had no idea what Foie Gras is until i read this.. If i didnt like duck id say it sounds quite tasty. I for one dont care how anything is made i have no moral concience about how any animal is treated unless it means that the meal im about to eat isn't going to taste as nice as an animal that has been treated differently.
Someone who really likes foie gras would probably say that it was necessary torture, otherwise they wouldn't have foie gras. So you agree then there is no requirement to ban foie gras?
All that shows is that there is a range of outcomes. Penguins adapted to use the wings in a new way, Ostrich's adapted partially to use their wings for display purposes and Kiwi's didn't adapt and as a result they don't use their wings at all.
It's difficult to select individual features and say we are predators because we have those features since no-one knows for sure. And there are plenty of exceptions in nature.
RDM said:
Agreed. But I was replying against the notion that we were predators because we had those features. I'm saying that isn't conclusive.
RDM said:
The evidence definitely points that way but it's not conclusive. I'd also argue that in early times we were probably more herbivore than carnivore. We aren't exactly built as the perfect predator and it's a lot easier to get plants than animals. A slow, un-tooled, unprotected human isn't going to last long in a hostile jungle environment chasing after animals either.
I think we became more predacious over time when we made the best use of tools and traps to catch prey more easily. Of course that does define us as predators.
RDM said:
Agreed, I was making the distinction philosophically not anatomically or whatever. I meant that since we have this ability we are better than animals and rather than submit to the instincts like the rest of the animal kingdom would do we have the facility to override them and that's what makes us great.
RDM said:
Definitely agreed and I will never stop eating meat. There is however, a difference between eating meat and torturing animals for the meat. In my opinion we are animals in the sense that we eat meat but humans in the way we go about it .
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