Barton arrested again...

Greenlizard0 said:
What a total idiot. I hope Sven kicks him out for good after this, I'm starting to really appreciate Man C particularly after their recent improvemtnts. This clearly isn't a one off incident I say football is bettter with out him.
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Welcome to last year :confused: :p Barton is at Newcastle now, and Big Sam's problem.
 
As if Sam hasn't enough problems up there, now the spoilt cretin does his utmost to blow a promising career, what a prize xxxxxx!!!!
 
Joey Barton = great player, total ****. He's meant to be a right handful!

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Just relised that sounds a bit chi chi, you know what I mean though.
 
Big Kev said:
As if Sam hasn't enough problems up there, now the spoilt cretin does his utmost to blow a promising career, what a prize xxxxxx!!!!
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Cretin and Barton are two words that definitely belong in the same sentence.

Allardyce has previous when it comes to believing that he can reform flawed characters. El Hadj Diouf anyone?

Last week Sol Campbell was demanding respect for footballers on the field of play, and probably rightly so, but players have got to realise that its a two way street. And what was Barton doing out on the town in the early hours anyway? Asking for trouble.
 
It was on the local news in Manchester last night that he reacted under extreme provocation. Some Everton fan kept having a go at him and then he just went nuts.

Even if he was under extreme provocation, it begs the question why he was out around Liverpool knowing full well that it was a matter of time before this kind of incident happened. Nutter
 
Not defending him in any way, but I can imagine whoever he went for was seriously provoking him and doing whatever it took to get Barton to smack him to make an easy penny. No doubt a comment about his brother was chucked in for good measure. Think a lot of people would react badly if such things were said.

Still, its a shame that someone with the talent he has is prepared to risk throwing it all away time and time again.
 
[ASSE]Hinchy;10769691 said:
Not defending him in any way, but I can imagine whoever he went for was seriously provoking him and doing whatever it took to get Barton to smack him to make an easy penny. No doubt a comment about his brother was chucked in for good measure. Think a lot of people would react badly if such things were said.

Still, its a shame that someone with the talent he has is prepared to risk throwing it all away time and time again.
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sounds like you are defending him somewhat, but i take your point. the main issues i have with the incident are firstly that he even put himself in such a position. he should be staying out of the spotlight in all honesty.

what annoys me further is that there is a multitude of quotes from him where the media editorial deems him to be quite articulate, reasoned - like that sort of validates his behaviour. coupled with the fact that to some this will make him seem like a more committed player that can handle himself.

we don't often see foreign players acting like this, although barton seems to be rather unique. I wish he had no place in the game, but sadly this is what money has done to the game. both in terms of players thinking they are above the law and with clubs willing to take him on.
 
freshy said:
sounds like you are defending him somewhat, I wish he had no place in the game, but sadly this is what money has done to the game. both in terms of players thinking they are above the law and with clubs willing to take him on.
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I agree with most of your comments, all except the part about money ruining the game. I have a real problem with people constantly denigrating footballers because they earn vast sums of money, its as if we believe they don't have the right to earn the kind of wages many of us would like to be on if we're entirely honest. The phrase 'overpaid prima-donnas' has to be the laziest and most overused cliche in football at the moment. Its meaningless and doesnt stand up to scrutiny at all.

Premier league players are the elite of their profession. Nobody complains about the very top merchant bankers or doctors earning huge sums so why shouldnt footballers? And can anyone tell me why footballers always have their salary details splashed all over the papers? Whats it got to do with us, at the end of the day? (Theres another crap footie cliche for you!)

Personally I think a lot of it has to do with class-based envy. The majority of footballers are poorly educated and have a working class background and as such I dont think we as a nation and certainly the media are tolerant of conspicuous consumption by those we don't consider our intellectual or social equals.

Joey Barton is a **** not because he's rich but because he's a ****.
There are plenty of footballers who come from backgrounds as disadvantaged as his who dont fall into the traps he does, so I think we all need to think carefully before we **** them off for maximising their earning potential.

***Deep breaths*** Now that Ive got that off my chest think I better lie down for a while.
 
mike gunnz said:
I agree with most of your comments, all except the part about money ruining the game. I have a real problem with people constantly denigrating footballers because they earn vast sums of money, its as if we believe they don't have the right to earn the kind of wages many of us would like to be on if we're entirely honest. The phrase 'overpaid prima-donnas' has to be the laziest and most overused cliche in football at the moment. Its meaningless and doesnt stand up to scrutiny at all.

Premier league players are the elite of their profession. Nobody complains about the very top merchant bankers or doctors earning huge sums so why shouldnt footballers? And can anyone tell me why footballers always have their salary details splashed all over the papers? Whats it got to do with us, at the end of the day? (Theres another crap footie cliche for you!)

Personally I think a lot of it has to do with class-based envy. The majority of footballers are poorly educated and have a working class background and as such I dont think we as a nation and certainly the media are tolerant of conspicuous consumption by those we don't consider our intellectual or social equals.

Joey Barton is a **** not because he's rich but because he's a ****.
There are plenty of footballers who come from backgrounds as disadvantaged as his who dont fall into the traps he does, so I think we all need to think carefully before we **** them off for maximising their earning potential.

***Deep breaths*** Now that Ive got that off my chest think I better lie down for a while.
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you make some great points and i understand your thoughts. however, i did not say that their levels of pay is the problem rather the money in the game. the money in the game ultimately breeds the high earnings. if the game was not elevated to such levels then such high pay would not even be an issue.

you make the comparison with bankers; but as a banker myself we are not above the law. we have to act accordingly (both official mandates and tacit). footballer's level of pay has both made them above and beyond this and made them commodities. there is no accountability for their actions because a club is investing so much in a player; whilst they are purchasing their talent, they also buy their persona. add to the mix, the fact that because of the huge monies in the game and television coverage that we have now reached saturation point - they are scrutinised for their every action. the trade off you make as a player is your duty as a role model and reflection of your club. the same exists in all walks of life.

with regard to money not ruining the game i think the answer lies in the middle. but i would say that yes you are right about the wc roots of football. so in effect that alienates the real fans who see these players earning so much. the game has alienated its core roots in effect. those loyal enough thus feel the players should reciprocate such loyalty, which adds to the demands.

with regard to pay details in the press etc - then i would say that again that fans (wrongly or rightly) feel privy to such information since they effectively pay the wages (albeit further down the chain). furthermore, agents themselves use the media to further barter their charges' wages.

of course it is a cultural thing that carries pros and cons; this is probably a product of having such a passionate football ethos. i have no problem with that - but the fact that this guy will EASILY continue to find employment in this elite job beggars belief.

apologies for possible confusion in my post - but i thought i would reciprocate your excellent long post.
 
He's ruining my fantasy football team. The guy is a thug and should be put away though to be honest!! Most of these footballers could do with a reality check!!
 
freshy said:
you make some great points and i understand your thoughts. however, i did not say that their levels of pay is the problem rather the money in the game. the money in the game ultimately breeds the high earnings. if the game was not elevated to such levels then such high pay would not even be an issue.

you make the comparison with bankers; but as a banker myself we are not above the law. we have to act accordingly (both official mandates and tacit). footballer's level of pay has both made them above and beyond this and made them commodities. there is no accountability for their actions because a club is investing so much in a player; whilst they are purchasing their talent, they also buy their persona. add to the mix, the fact that because of the huge monies in the game and television coverage that we have now reached saturation point - they are scrutinised for their every action. the trade off you make as a player is your duty as a role model and reflection of your club. the same exists in all walks of life.

with regard to money not ruining the game i think the answer lies in the middle. but i would say that yes you are right about the wc roots of football. so in effect that alienates the real fans who see these players earning so much. the game has alienated its core roots in effect. those loyal enough thus feel the players should reciprocate such loyalty, which adds to the demands.

with regard to pay details in the press etc - then i would say that again that fans (wrongly or rightly) feel privy to such information since they effectively pay the wages (albeit further down the chain). furthermore, agents themselves use the media to further barter their charges' wages.

of course it is a cultural thing that carries pros and cons; this is probably a product of having such a passionate football ethos. i have no problem with that - but the fact that this guy will EASILY continue to find employment in this elite job beggars belief.

apologies for possible confusion in my post - but i thought i would reciprocate your excellent long post.
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I apologise if I misinterpreted any of your observations.:)

The question of accountability you raise, and contrasting it with your own profession is interesting and I wouldnt disagree. The comparative success of the self-regulation of much of your profession is, I'd imagine a function of the expertise of the bodies regulating it. Unfortunately the FA is nothing like as competent when it comes to regulating the members of the Premier league.

But I do think to some extent Barton has been held accountable for his past acts. When Man City decided it was time to sell him I'm sure there were less interested parties than there would have been had he not been such an unstable character. I cant imagine the very top managers would have been interested in working with such a player who despite his talent was known to be such a destabilising influence, but yes it is depressing knowing that he will walk into another job. West Ham are known to have a fondness for miscreants from Newcastle - Dyer and Bowyer of course, so perhaps that willl be a future destination.

The notion of loyalty you mention is also a great point and one we could debate for hours. We as supporters expect loyalty from our heroes but then we are quite willing to demand of our managers and chairmen that they buy new players and improve the squad at every opportunity, which is somewhat ironic.
 
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