Looking for a car like 350z but 4 seater :/

Clarkey said:
i dont need to drive either, it's a fact. Stop spitting out your dummy.
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I just find it rather ironic that you always wade in with all manner of opinions based on nothing more than what you think, even when it contradicts figures and experiences of people who have actually driven the cars...

Still, I'm sure your opinion is more factual for it than anyone elses ;)
 
leon4112 said:
the 350z is rwd had 40bhp more power and more grunt from a bigger engine for higher speeds better cd as well !!
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It also has longer gearing, which means lower wheel torque and slower relative acceleration. There's very little in it, but it's not an unfair comparison.

But then, I drove both cars (among lots of others), and bought the S3, I'd imagine someone who bought a 350z would think the opposite :)

the s3 is quick no question but its the same arguement with the old one s3 225 cupra r 225 the cupra r was quicker when rolling but handling and launch was a bit better on the s3
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The old S3 I'd agree with you, but they didn't make the same mistake this time round. The new leon is 35ish bhp down on the new S3.
 
Dolph said:
It also has longer gearing, which means lower wheel torque and slower relative acceleration. There's very little in it, but it's not an unfair comparison.

But then, I drove both cars (among lots of others), and bought the S3, I'd imagine someone who bought a 350z would think the opposite :)



The old S3 I'd agree with you, but they didn't make the same mistake this time round. The new leon is 35ish bhp down on the new S3.
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well i guess you don't read car forums that much

quotes from cupra net

"Don't think that has to be discussed again... Has been discussed here and in german forums it is the same. The engines have different compression ratios, the S3 has a twincharger, the Cupra does NOT have one, for example. The part numbers are also different.
I'd heard the compression rations were different, but had not realised there were any other differences (other than the S3 running on different oil due to its long servicing schedules)."


"from a new s3 owner who does testing for mtm software aswell as revo"

The Leon's are putting out 261bhp, just like the S3, and the map thats running on my car is running perfectly.

I know there has been some issues with respect to what Audi / Seat are prepared to divulge on this engine as I think Audi don't want their S3 customers to think you can get the same engine in a car thats much better value for money.

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=118573&highlight=leon+cupra+s3
 
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leon4112 said:
well i guess you don't read car forums that much

quotes from cupra net

"Seat claim 237bhp (240ps), standard cars on the rolling road are - like you say - getting 257-262bhp. People are assuming that Audi won't let them advertise it as 260ps because it would be the same as the S3."


"Standard cars tested on various rolling roads round the country, have so far indicated that they produce between 255-265bhp. They tend to be less bhp for the first 600-800miles.

Mine was run on Awesomes RR, 1 week after i got it, with nearly 300miles on the clock. It had a tank of supermarket special the dealer had put in it. It produced pretty much bang on 240bhp.

I went back just over a month later, with just over a 1000miles on it, with the car only being fed Shell Vpower. It then did around 260bhp. Same rollers, same settings pretty much same conditions, and from experience i know Awesome have good repeat results, never much more than -+ 5bhp either way.

The car did get quicker and more free revving once it had done over 800 miles, we think something is built into the code to make them run a bit rich for the first few hundred miles to help them run in and coke up."


same internals without 4wd so they would be quicker after 30mph!!!
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Strange how no magazines in testing have recorded times that would suggest this, or comments about how the car feels quicker than it's power would suggest. Or that Golf GTI 30ed's aren't making the same claim, considering they have the same larger turbo etc. You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical if the only place claiming this is the cupra owners forum...

It's also worth reading this other thread, as the thread you linked to contains some debate.

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1250384&postcount=10
 
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Dolph said:
Strange how no magazines in testing have recorded times that would suggest this, or comments about how the car feels quicker than it's power would suggest. Or that Golf GTI 30ed's aren't making the same claim, considering they have the same larger turbo etc. You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical if the only place claiming this is the cupra owners forum...
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well since car mags only do road tests and are bound to what they write about cars are you suprised audi wouldn't let any major car mag post that they gave all 3 cars the same engine when the audi is 10k more !! the only reports that matter are buyers ones who have had the car etc that guy on that forum has a s3 not a cupra and using his car for inhouse tests with mtm and revo when the s3 came out to get the best remap for all 3 cars so i think he has a unbissed view of it all!!

plus the gold ed 30 have the same engine as well all 3 run the same power and have the same power after remap no more no less



plus this is funny coming from the s3 owner!!!

"Cars mean the world to me, and I am in a very fortunate position where I can afford some of what I enjoy, and pass on my experiences to others who may have to plan their spend a little more carefully. The reason I continue to post here is firstly because my car is effectively a Leon with an Audi badge, and I feel a greater affiliation to SEAT than to Audi - it's not to smarm or gloat, its just I wanted Haldex. Secondly is because I feel that on balance there is some really decent information on here, so I want to contribute the same. I've been modding for 16 years (all VAG group), so I don't get giddy with excitement before I write this stuff."


quotes for ed 30 with same engine

http://www.torquetronix.co.uk/developments/read/edition-30-vw-golf

http://www.tuningnews.net/article/070511a/oettinger-vw-golf-gti-edition-30/


there is someone on here with a ed 30 who can quote me on this also but think hes has his remaped and done nearly 180 in it!!
 
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leon4112 said:
well since car mags only do road tests and are bound to what they write about cars are you suprised audi wouldn't let any major car mag post that they gave all 3 cars the same engine when the audi is 10k more !! the only reports that matter are buyers ones who have had the car etc that guy on that forum has a s3 not a cupra and using his car for inhouse tests with mtm and revo when the s3 came out to get the best remap for all 3 cars so i think he has a unbissed view of it all!!

plus the gold ed 30 have the same engine as well all 3 run the same power and have the same power after remap no more no less
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The same engine does not mean the same state of tune (although as I pointed out, there are doubts as to that on Cupra.net due to the different part numbers. Short of buying both and comparing them, I don't think you're going to solve that one. The ED30 and the Leon use the same part numbers, the S3 doesn't)

As to the magazines, would their test data not show higher speeds than quoted if the power was what people want to claim it is?

plus this is funny coming from the s3 owner!!!

"Cars mean the world to me, and I am in a very fortunate position where I can afford some of what I enjoy, and pass on my experiences to others who may have to plan their spend a little more carefully. The reason I continue to post here is firstly because my car is effectively a Leon with an Audi badge, and I feel a greater affiliation to SEAT than to Audi - it's not to smarm or gloat, its just I wanted Haldex. Secondly is because I feel that on balance there is some really decent information on here, so I want to contribute the same. I've been modding for 16 years (all VAG group), so I don't get giddy with excitement before I write this stuff."
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I still hang around honda revs, that doesn't mean much.

quotes for ed 30 with same engine

http://www.torquetronix.co.uk/developments/read/edition-30-vw-golf

http://www.tuningnews.net/article/070511a/oettinger-vw-golf-gti-edition-30/


there is someone on here with a ed 30 who can quote me on this also but think hes has his remaped and done nearly 180 in it!!
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Neither of those links talk about the power output of the standard engine, only that it is the same/very similar

The only real way to tell would be to take a standard S3 and Leon to a RR and run them both to compare like for like, something which doesn't appear to have been done.
 
leon4112 said:
well since car mags only do road tests
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Wrong. Autocar do a selection of performance tests at Millbrook Proving Ground.

and are bound to what they write about cars are you suprised audi wouldn't let any major car mag post that they gave all 3 cars the same engine when the audi is 10k more !!
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Wrong again - they can say what they like and often do.
 
Shimmy said:
Impreza STi I suppose.

Why 1 year?

For a few years older you still get low mileage cars like:

R34 GTR V Spec
M3

That sort of stuff.
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Sorry i missed your question of 1 year. Erm well i like the idea of a new or newish car with low mileage. I've been driving a 1.2 clio for 7 years now and im sick to death of waiting for it to fall to pieces (although the cold seems to have knocked out the internal fan) Theres also less chance that a 1 year old has had the miles winded back... Its very easy to do from what my friend says so id rather stay clear of the older cars. Although the R34 GTR Vspec is very tempting hehehe I love the R badge especially from the initial D series from Jap ^_^
 
Dolph said:
I just find it rather ironic that you always wade in with all manner of opinions based on nothing more than what you think, even when it contradicts figures and experiences of people who have actually driven the cars...

Still, I'm sure your opinion is more factual for it than anyone elses ;)
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Go on then, i'm interested to hear how you can explain that a whizbang turbo 4pot is like a 3.5l V6, how a FWD-biased 4wd car drives like a RWD, and how a hatchback is like a sports coupe.


I'm absolutely astounded that this thread has been reduced to discussing turbocharged VAG hatches, when the OP said he wanted something like a 4 seater 350z, when Nissan ACTUALLY MAKE exactly that, called the Skyline 350GT.
 
Clarkey said:
Go on then, i'm interested to hear how you can explain that a whizbang turbo 4pot is like a 3.5l V6, how a FWD-biased 4wd car drives like a RWD, and how a hatchback is like a sports coupe.
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It's not, that's why it was brought up as an alternative choice. None of the above makes the car bad to anyone who actually has experience of driving a wide variety of cars.

I'm absolutely astounded that this thread has been reduced to discussing turbocharged VAG hatches, when the OP said he wanted something like a 4 seater 350z, when Nissan ACTUALLY MAKE exactly that, called the Skyline 350GT.
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It was brought up by another poster, I filled in some details, then some people started posting poor information regarding performance/handling comparisons. Unfortunately it then becomes necessary to correct the incorrect advice given by inexperienced drivers. If a few people hadn't jumped on the suggestion with drivel it wouldn't have happened.
 
Clarkey said:
I'm absolutely astounded that this thread has been reduced to discussing turbocharged VAG hatches, when the OP said he wanted something like a 4 seater 350z, when Nissan ACTUALLY MAKE exactly that, called the Skyline 350GT.
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Which they don't sell here.
 
i like the Skyline 350 GT. But i dont like import :/ i have 0 NCB so i dunno how that will affect my insurance chances. But anyways i have read on several for sale pages that Nissan were releasing the Skyline 350GT in UK?!?

is that true or just lies? cuz i see no mention of it on nissan.co.uk (which doesnt work in opera :mad:)
 
Siliconslave said:
monaro? large engine, FR, comes from the southern hemisphere, fun to drive and drifts pretty well?
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I think given the OP's like for the 350Z a Monaro Coupe is an excellent suggestion. Coupe like the Z, muscular 'presence' like the Z and easily remapped to 400bhp+ so better performance and still the all important 4 seats. Easily available at the age required and within budget:

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/278569.htm
 
Dolph said:
It's not, that's why it was brought up as an alternative choice. None of the above makes the car bad to anyone who actually has experience of driving a wide variety of cars.



It was brought up by another poster, I filled in some details, then some people started posting poor information regarding performance/handling comparisons. Unfortunately it then becomes necessary to correct the incorrect advice given by inexperienced drivers. If a few people hadn't jumped on the suggestion with drivel it wouldn't have happened.
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well since you didn't know any facts about your own match box car i thought you should know tbh that the s3 is a 10k more car for no reason but the 4wd system! and not in the same class as a 350z and that for 28k he would be better off with a monaro or a bmw m5
 
leon4112 said:
well since you didn't know any facts about your own match box car i thought you should know tbh that the s3 is a 10k more car for no reason but the 4wd system! and not in the same class as a 350z and that for 28k he would be better off with a monaro or a bmw m5
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I'm sorry, I forgot the only accurate source of information was cupra.net, rather than every other motoring source on the internet and in print ;)
 
Dolph said:
I'm sorry, I forgot the only accurate source of information was cupra.net, rather than every other motoring source on the internet and in print ;)
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erm not really all the tuning garages say the same seat nor audi are going to admit they are they same engines but in different states of maps it was the same with the old one the s3 came with 225 the cupra r with 210 same engine remaped the same as the l8er newer 225 just that after 2 years audi let them put the normal mapping on same for this one!! if you remaped yours and a cupra or golf ed30 got his done you would be at the same 300-315 output!!
 
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