Pug used to make some good(ish) diesels, if they are worse than the VAG ones now then they must have really lost the plot
Golf GT TDI - what does the diesel engine sound like?
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Pug used to make some good(ish) diesels, if they are worse than the VAG ones now then they must have really lost the plot
That's why i'm looking at a Golf, still thinking about the Gti. If I keep the Focus ST for another 2 or 3 years it'll lose a lot of value. And I think the extra money required to buy a decent 2nd hand Golf will outweigh that by quite a way.
Why not go and test drive one?
The TDI engine on cold starts is very noisy, not exactly a problem imo. Once the car warms up it dies down and although 4.5k revs it still has plenty of torque, even the turbo lag is not long at all 0.5 seconds if that.
If you want some speed you'd have to go for the GT TDI or remap a 140 TDI gives around 170-185 bhp and 0-60 hovers around 7.3-8 seconds depending on results. The mpg is amazing though, never lets you down.
I hear that the GT TDI and 170 TDI on A3s are a let down though.
The TDI engine on cold starts is very noisy, not exactly a problem imo. Once the car warms up it dies down and although 4.5k revs it still has plenty of torque, even the turbo lag is not long at all 0.5 seconds if that.
If you want some speed you'd have to go for the GT TDI or remap a 140 TDI gives around 170-185 bhp and 0-60 hovers around 7.3-8 seconds depending on results. The mpg is amazing though, never lets you down.
I hear that the GT TDI and 170 TDI on A3s are a let down though.
I really like the VW 2.0 TDI in my Audi A6. It propels the car with reasonable pace, made 152bhp on the OcUK RR day and gets 42mpg (and rising after 11,000+ miles) even with my lead foot in a car the size of a small island. In a Golf the performance will be more than adequate.
BUT (and it's a big but), it's noisy, boring, unrefined and will make you look like a tightwad. On a cold start it's extremely sluggish and noisy. I wish I'd splashed the extra cash and got the bigger petrol. Keep the ST or, if you really want a Golf, get the GTI.
BUT (and it's a big but), it's noisy, boring, unrefined and will make you look like a tightwad. On a cold start it's extremely sluggish and noisy. I wish I'd splashed the extra cash and got the bigger petrol. Keep the ST or, if you really want a Golf, get the GTI.
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The CDTI on our Astra sounds like somebody has dropped a bag of spanners in the engine. If you don't like the clatter noise don't buy a diesel.
Also unless you do loads of miles the extra economy does not make finacial sense...
Also unless you do loads of miles the extra economy does not make finacial sense...
I drove one where I used to work, Didn't give two hoots about not being able to rev it, once you found the best part of the rev range the torque was worth it
Most people drive diesels as if they were petrol, then wonder why the power drops away rather than already changing up a cog.
Many truckers do it also believe it or not!
Had a guy moaning to me about the lack of torque in his 16litre (yes 16litre!) Scania, rather than changing up at around 1400RPM he was changing up at about 2300RPM a point in rev range where the truck is actually slowing due to near total loss of torque.
After demonstrating the technique to him, he still believes he gets the best from the engine at high revs. Muppet!
Indeed, why do BMW gearboxes in diesels shift at the redline
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The 1.9 Golf's and Audi's we have had have all been noisy.
Noisy on the outside, noisy in the cabin.
V.good MPG though.
A lot noiser than my mates Xsara and 306 HDi's.
Noisy on the outside, noisy in the cabin.
V.good MPG though.
A lot noiser than my mates Xsara and 306 HDi's.
Haven't had the pleasure of the Honda diesels yet but the 2 litre diesel in my friends' E92 3 series is very refined.
Im not in the know of lorry engines, but is there not a trade off between the tailing off of the torque curve at higher rpms, and the re-entry point on the rev range when you change up?
Indeed, why do BMW gearboxes in diesels shift at the redline
In order to drop back into the power band for the next gear. The problem with diesels is that the power band is so narrow, getting the best performance out of them is tricky and requires very precise gearchanges.
love the sound of the vag tdi's especially on a very cold start up
very mechanical
this is the closest i can find on youtube to our 300k octy on startup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_exyKhgnRI&feature=related
very mechanical
this is the closest i can find on youtube to our 300k octy on startup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_exyKhgnRI&feature=related
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love the sound of the vag tdi's especially on a very cold start up
very mechanical
this is the closest i can find on youtube to our 300k octy on startup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_exyKhgnRI&feature=related
I wonder how many tree's died in that vid
To an extent yes, but the truck will still pull a lot better if the change drops it lower in the rev range rather than half way through the relatively narrow "sweet spot" in the engines rev range.
Put it another way, look at the picture below, the green part of the tachometer is the negines optimum power / torque range. If Muppet was to change up @ 2300RPM ,bang on the start of the Red area, the revs would only drop to about 1600RPM which is just outside the small "E" part of the rev range that represents optimum efficiency.
Ideally, each change , on a Scania, would have the revs dropping to about 1200RPM for the engine to be able to pull.
The correct gear & prevailing conditions are also big factors!
I hope that the above makes some sense!
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Define refined?
Engine in my Passat is the work of the devil, 140bhp 2.0, dirty crappy loathsome lump o ****.
Noisy as hell and just plain slow & stone cold it's so weak it's dangerous.
I will never touch another VW (or Audi for that matter) for as long as I live.
Honda 2.2 Derv = quality.
Noisy as hell and just plain slow & stone cold it's so weak it's dangerous.
I will never touch another VW (or Audi for that matter) for as long as I live.
Honda 2.2 Derv = quality.
Engine in my Passat is the work of the devil, 140bhp 2.0, dirty crappy loathsome lump o ****.
Noisy as hell and just plain slow & stone cold it's so weak it's dangerous.
I will never touch another VW (or Audi for that matter) for as long as I live.
Honda 2.2 Derv = quality.
i drove a honda accord 2.2 and it made a very strange noise, almost like an electrix engine (not a bad noise, just completly differeant to any car i have driven)
do not get the 170 PS 2.0, it doesn't remap very well due the particular filter - a remap on a 170PS destroys it in no time.
get the 140 its much better.
they are noisy, but they are the most reliable diesel engines made. no common rail electronic rubbish here, just good old fashioned mechanics
get the 140 its much better.
they are noisy, but they are the most reliable diesel engines made. no common rail electronic rubbish here, just good old fashioned mechanics