Upgrade watercooling now worse performance.

YZFAndy · 4 Jan 2008 at 19:49

Upgrade water-cooling now worse performance. Went from two single XSPC R120s’s to a Black Ice 240 GTS and idle temperatures are down a few degrees but load temperatures are up about 5C and still going.

I have added a Swiftech MCW60-R in to the loop as well but didn’t expect it to raise the temps that much if anything. Is that to be expected?

Both rad types are in the same place in the case, both working with fans pulling through the rad and the same fans. Do these radiators perform better with different fan types? Obviously a high fan flow will always be better but some rads aren’t as fussy as others.
Ideas will be a help please as mother board alarm will be going off soon.

Monstermunch · 4 Jan 2008 at 20:26

u tried re-seating the waterblock... temps vary greatly depending on how well you seated it and what paste you used

YZFAndy · 4 Jan 2008 at 20:30

Didn't need to reseat the water block so thats the same as it was, just rad changed and GPU block added.

Jokester · 4 Jan 2008 at 20:31

More restriction + more heat dumped in the loop = more temperature.

Jokester

YZFAndy · 4 Jan 2008 at 20:40

Jokester said:
More restriction + more heat dumped in the loop = more temperature.

Jokester

Well got a swiftech mcp655 on its way so that should deal with the extra restriction but I thought this rad would have dealt with the heat better than the two 120's.

Jokester · 4 Jan 2008 at 20:48

Well it's the same cooling area, so unless the radiator is of a superior design then it won't make much difference other than to slightly reduce the restriction.

wolvers · 4 Jan 2008 at 20:51

It's because of the heat dumped into the system by the GPU.

Can you put one of the 120.1 rads in the loop inbetween the gpu and cpu?

pump>240rad>cpu>120rad>gpu>res

YZFAndy · 4 Jan 2008 at 20:59

Yes, was thinking of going that way. But have have just had a look and realised what a muppet I am.
In my hast to set it up I forgot to flush the new rad.

Cob · 4 Jan 2008 at 21:14

Which block is that?

YZFAndy · 4 Jan 2008 at 21:54

Cob said:
Which block is that?

I don’t actually know. Forum rules prevent me from pointing you to where I got it from. By looking at the cooling pins and the hold down plate it looks very similar to a XSPC X2O Delta V2, but it has a square base rather than round that is exactly the same size as the cpu sink and with the clear top with flow written on it.
It’s a lot of trouble getting the hold down plate past the gigabyte motherboard cooler as you can see from the pic so not looking forward to taking the top of to get that crud out.

weescott · 4 Jan 2008 at 22:06

XSPC flow waterblock. Budget job.

WJA96 · 4 Jan 2008 at 22:07

I'm assuming it's a Flow Performance block (that's what it says on it!). They do a range of pretty simple water-cooling stuff that's basic, cheap and works reasonably well. I'd check, but the UK Distributor's website is offline at the moment.

YZFAndy · 4 Jan 2008 at 22:25

weescott said:
XSPC flow waterblock. Budget job.

Don't knock the XSPC blocks

[FONT=&quot]http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews.php?/cases_cooling/xspc_x2o_delta_cpu_waterblock/5
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[FONT=&quot]Not much in it and a lot cheaper than a D-TEK
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marscay · 4 Jan 2008 at 22:40

like jokester has said you have the same cooling potential in changing to a single 240 and now you've added a gpu block as well.

moving to a PA120.2 might have helped with the temps a bit depending on which fans you are currently using on the Black Ice <- they like high static pressure/high cfm for optimium performance.

weescott · 4 Jan 2008 at 23:06

YZFAndy said:
Don't knock the XSPC blocks

[FONT=&quot]http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews.php?/cases_cooling/xspc_x2o_delta_cpu_waterblock/5[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Not much in it and a lot cheaper than a D-TEK[/FONT]

Where did I knock it?

wolvers · 4 Jan 2008 at 23:33

YZFAndy said:
Yes, was thinking of going that way. But have have just had a look and realised what a muppet I am.
In my hast to set it up I forgot to flush the new rad.

I really didn't know that much crud could be in a new rad. Better give mine a good clean out next week when I have it apart.

I'll start searching for the best methods. Still a lot to learn about this water cooling malarky!

w3bbo · 4 Jan 2008 at 23:58

Take a look in the sticky for cleaning the rads

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But, as previously answered. more heat, more restriction, same cooling surface area is bound to increase temps a little and its load that will be affect most.

marcus000 · 5 Jan 2008 at 02:33

Jokester said:
Well it's the same cooling area, so unless the radiator is of a superior design then it won't make much difference other than to slightly reduce the restriction.

The Black Ice Stealth has a much higher FPI I think, hence it prefers more powerfull fans than the XSPC R120 series, I've probs got some pictures comparing the two somewhere, i'll try dig them up later if you would like me to.

weescott said:
XSPC flow waterblock. Budget job.

YZFAndy said:
Don't knock the XSPC blocks

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews.php?/cases_cooling/xspc_x2o_delta_cpu_waterblock/5

]Not much in it and a lot cheaper than a D-TEK

Well your half right, the Flow block is basically the OLD XSPC block re-branded... NOT the same as the XSPC Delta that is available now so the test results you linked to aren't exactly true to the Flow line of gear.

From what I understand "a certain competitor" got the blocks OEM from XSPC and simply re-branded them... THEN XSPC launched the Delta afterwards.

But yes I agree with you, don't knock the XSPC blocks... they are suprisingly good for the price and they feel incredibly solid!