CTC does anyone know how much you get for 3 kids?

Everyone in this thread opposing benefits are retarded!

Your main concern is that you work hard for your big salaries and say you should get it too regardless, you say it is unfair that they get it and you don't!

You then move on and say that if you don't earn enough to support a family without it, then you shouldn't have kids!

Thats a contradiction! Why should people on lower incomes not be allowed kids!

The bottom line is that the government provides money for those applicable! So if you are you would merely be stupid not to accept it! Either that or its inconvenient (I'm entitled to EMA financially, but for me to be payed it am not able to be at home during my free periods due to having to be at registration! Therefore i don't collect it)
 
FrostedNipple said:
You then move on and say that if you don't earn enough to support a family without it, then you shouldn't have kids!

Thats a contradiction! Why should people on lower incomes not be allowed kids!
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Because they can't afford it perhaps?

Or a better question, why should those that can afford it have to pay for those that can't or not be entitled to the same handouts?
 
Lot of old conservatives in here, if you work you should have every right to benefits, if you are rich you do not need benefits and you are setup for live, but if you ever needed them, they would be there for you.

People who don't work and pop out kids are scum, but when you live in a democracy that offers its citizens benefits there is nothing we can do.

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GSXRMovistar said:
Because they can't afford it perhaps?

Or a better question, why should those that can afford it have to pay for those that can't or not be entitled to the same handouts?
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You mean tax, because that's where I presume all this money comes from, if you earn £30,000 you are taxed higher but how many people on £30k do you see in a council house driving a N Reg Clio, people on more money get better benefits in live and that is a fact where people on less money get basic benefits.
 
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GSXRMovistar said:
Because they can't afford it perhaps?

Or a better question, why should those that can afford it have to pay for those that can't or not be entitled to the same handouts?
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Why should people without any kids have to pay towards your childs benefit?

We all know the tax system, we all have to play by the rules. The more you earn the more you pay. Totally fair. For the record I earn circa 75K before stoppages and realise my social responsibility. :)
 
GSXRMovistar said:
Because they can't afford it perhaps?

Or a better question, why should those that can afford it have to pay for those that can't or not be entitled to the same handouts?
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If money determines whether a family is possible or not then it shows what a sad state the world is in! However the government gives allowances so people with lower incomes can have a family and live a happy life, even if it is in a smaller house with less nice things such as flat screens and flash cars!

You supposedly work very hard in your managerial jobs earning in the hundred thousands! Why should you be entitled to it, you can support 20 kids!
 
No harm in trying to raise standards, but then theres a matter of how you go about it! Would you not say?

Edit: I understood his post clearly and i think most did aswell.
 
If someone has a well paid job and has kids based on that job then something happens, is it their fault that they then cannot manage without assistance from the state?

Which is preferable:
Someone not working and claiming benefits, as they cannot afford to work and pay for childcare.
Or
Someone working but claiming allowances to help cover the costs of looking after their children whilst they are at work.
Or
Someone not having children and just working.

The second option is the one that makes the sense long term, otherwise you end up with people who could be in work (and want to work) unable to work because they've got children (who are needed to keep the country running in the long term), or not having kids at all.
 
I got WTF and TY, it was the rest that was leaving me mystified. I don't claim benefits so I've no idea what this is all about!
 
By the way - I assume that all of you opposing child tax credits have contacted HMRC to ensure that they don't use your personal allowance, but instead tax all your income.

Tax credits != handout.
Tax credits = allowance.
 
Even with a child I still pay considerably more tax than I get back from the government...

For what it is worth, I am probably eligible for a small amount of Child Tax Credit, but because of the fluctuation in my wages (overtime and bonuses) and because of the abortion of a system they have we decided not to claim and then have the hassle of paying it back again later.

Child Tax Credit is an appalling way of doing things, just add it to the personal allowance for gods sake, so what if everyone gets it you would probably save that on the admin costs alone. Not to mention not having to chase people on the breadline for thousands after you mess up.
 
GSXRMovistar, there may come a day when you become financially bankrupt and require aid from the government too.

Just because you are fortunate enough to be able to survive based solely on your income is great and I applaud you for it, it's just unfortunate that some people can not. I am sure that each and every person would prefer to be earning enough to pay their own way (OK, that statement may be going too far, some people I know seem to thrive on the fact they live solely on benefits).

Things aren't as black and white as you seem to be painting them or want to believe they are.
 
I don't think it is fair to blame the people claiming unless they are purpusefully abusing the system, otherwise they are just trying to get back some of that huge amount of tax back they have likely paid over the years, I don't think that is the same as someone who has no intention of trying and just wants to get as much money from the system as possible without contributing.

Blame the government, they should just reduce the benefits, we are overpoulated in this little poo hole of an island so why encourage it?
 
For 3 children, aged 5, 4 and 18 monthe we get :

£41 in Child Benefit a week
£105 in Child Tax Credits a week

I also get a small amount of Working Tax Credits on top of my wages :)
 
GSXRMovistar said:
As above I commented on the basis it was CTC rather than child benefit. But at the end of the day I would just prefer to live in a society where you pay for the things you require (then desire) based on what you can afford without any outside assistance. I believe this would encourage a better standard of living and sociality than what we currently have in this country with kids getting pregnant whist at school and those thinking that their actions have no consequence and that someone else will always provide.

Sorry about all my soap box comments but this is topic that annoys me to say the least. :)
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Child tax credits cover next to nothing of the real cost of a child.

For example a baby in the first year (you get an extra £545 a year 'baby element') The money given to you pretty quickly goes back into the car (Fuel Duty and VAT) going to Tesco to buy milk, where some has to put the milk on formula milk on to the shelf (Tax and NI) after its delivered by lorry to the store, (Lorry driver pays Tax and NI, lorry uses a large amount of fuel with heavily taxed fuel duty)...

Point here is that its not really money simply thrown away by the government, its money in circulation that finally gets back to the treasury pot and keeps the economy moving. With the Uk being a primary service industry kids are what keep it reasonably heathly. Surely its better spent than securing a private bank...?
 
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