Warner go Blu-Ray exclusive

Dolph said:
The answer, of course, still lies in dual format players. Solve all the problems in one fell swoop, as well as allowing studios to benefit from the increased capacity of BR when it's needed, and the much lower production costs of HD-DVD when it's not.

There is no technical reason why this can't be done, it's just stupid corporate politics.
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It has been done, but its a silly idea.
Having one format is so much simpler, and cheaper as companies dont have to produce the same product in two different formats.
DVD has been perfect, BLu-Ray winning will be the same
 
thecremeegg said:
It has been done, but its a silly idea.
Having one format is so much simpler, and cheaper as companies dont have to produce the same product in two different formats.
DVD has been perfect, BLu-Ray winning will be the same
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Like DVD+R and -R?

And the whole point is that they don't have to produce a single product in both formats, rather than they can use the format that benefits the product. BR is more expensive to produce, but provides higher capacity which isn't always needed. HD-DVD has some other benefits (not least that you can make combo disks which IIRC you can't do with BR) and is cheaper to produce. It's the best of both worlds.
 
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Well the Samsung dual-format player is quite good by the sounds of it, but not perfect. Maybe later in the year will see a solution. But personally I'd still rather have a single format, and for the sake of argument Blu-Ray looks like the simpler option.
 
Dolph said:
Like DVD+R and -R?

And the whole point is that they don't have to produce a single product in both formats, rather than they can use the format that benefits the product. BR is more expensive to produce, but provides higher capacity which isn't always needed. HD-DVD has some other benefits (not least that you can make combo disks which IIRC you can't do with BR) and is cheaper to produce. It's the best of both worlds.
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Not like DVD-R/+R

*** majority of DVD writers can read both formats (even if at a slower speed) - and at littel additional cost

Combined HD players would take a lot longer to do this, would cost more and not necessarily be as good

As above why produce two times the media - that will cost a lot more than the marginal increase in cost of producing just BR for a few discs not requiring the disc size (assembly lines / workers/ etc for both formats)

Combo discs are more expensive to buy and personally I dont like them - if I want a dvd I will buy one, I dont particularly want to be forced to buy one I will never use (and combo discs are more expensive to produce than BR's to start with)
 
Dolph said:
The answer, of course, still lies in dual format players. Solve all the problems in one fell swoop, as well as allowing studios to benefit from the increased capacity of BR when it's needed, and the much lower production costs of HD-DVD when it's not.

There is no technical reason why this can't be done, it's just stupid corporate politics.
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Dual format is just stupid and is completely irrelavant to a media burning format. There is no way you can compare the movie industry with dvd-r dvd+r.

Studios can't just gameble on thinking everybody would have a dual format player as they don't, so yeah they would have to do two encodes to reach everybody.

Blu-ray will become mainstream.
 
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FrankJH said:
Not like DVD-R/+R

*** majority of DVD writers can read both formats (even if at a slower speed) - and at littel additional cost
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They couldn't when the formats launched, there was a format war that was eliminated by dual format players, rather than by one winning.

Combined HD players would take a lot longer to do this, would cost more and not necessarily be as good
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The samsung BD-UP5000 is getting very good reviews...

As above why produce two times the media - that will cost a lot more than the marginal increase in cost of producing just BR for a few discs not requiring the disc size (assembly lines / workers/ etc for both formats)

Combo discs are more expensive to buy and personally I dont like them - if I want a dvd I will buy one, I dont particularly want to be forced to buy one I will never use (and combo discs are more expensive to produce than BR's to start with)
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I have HD downstairs and DVD everywhere else, in that regard, combo disks are great.
 
johnnyfive said:
Dual format is just stupid and is completely irrelavant to a media burning format. There is no way you can compare the movie industry with dvd-r dvd+r.

Studios can't just gameble on thinking everybody would have a dual format player as they don't, so yeah they would have to do two encodes to reach everybody.

Blu-ray will become mainstream.
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Given that the last time this came up, your sole reasoning was "because red and blue cases look stupid", you'll forgive me if I don't take your opinion as being based on anything useful.
 
I'm another one who prefers two formats,

1. Features, BR is pretty good, but, HD-DVD has better interactive content that is based on a fixed standard, BR is a mess with BDJ profiles not been set and no onus on manufacturers to support any
2. Competition, cheap players/software, I hope I'm wrong, but one format (especially Sony) will lead to significant rises in media and player prices


I'm dual format, and have as many HD-DVD as BR, but I am very worried that Sony will just do the 'sony' thing with DRM/Region coding (already an issue for me) and pricing.. the Only reason the PS3 is the price it is, is due to the 360's influence..

I agree with Dolph, even though it would never happen, I think the best format still would have been HD-DVD (triple layer of course!)..

But it's not worth losing sleep over..
 
Yup there are limits still - i'm on virgin 20mb, and if you download more than 4Gb a day then they throttle you.
Havent had a letter yet mind you
 
Yup, fair usage policies are still rife, misleading ISP's are still the norm..

It's pretty obvious that bandwidth costs money, and people just won't pay a realistic price for it.. that doesn't excuse the vast majority of ISP's from misleading you, but it's an obvious 'fact'..

I just choose an ISP that makes you 'pay' for decent usage limits (400Gb/month) and therefore has the bandwidth to cater for us heavy downloaders, so speeds are always high.. but at nearly £40 a month, it's not 'cheap'..
 
Demon said:
I'm another one who prefers two formats,

1. Features, BR is pretty good, but, HD-DVD has better interactive content that is based on a fixed standard, BR is a mess with BDJ profiles not been set and no onus on manufacturers to support any
2. Competition, cheap players/software, I hope I'm wrong, but one format (especially Sony) will lead to significant rises in media and player prices


I'm dual format, and have as many HD-DVD as BR, but I am very worried that Sony will just do the 'sony' thing with DRM/Region coding (already an issue for me) and pricing.. the Only reason the PS3 is the price it is, is due to the 360's influence..

I agree with Dolph, even though it would never happen, I think the best format still would have been HD-DVD (triple layer of course!)..

But it's not worth losing sleep over..
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My big reason for supporting HD-DVD more is that it's a much more clearly defined standard from a consumer point of view. Certain things (updateability and interactivity, managed copy) are mandatory on HD-DVD, and optional on Blu-ray. Whether I think I would use these features now, or later, doesn't matter. Sony's history of consumer unfriendly behaviour really doesn't bode well compared to that.
 
Virgin's fair use is fine, I can live with caps between 4 and 12am.

I get top notch 2mb/s on my downloads when I'm asleep or at college so I cannot complain, plus I download loads and loads from Usenet every month and have never had a letter.
 
hah, download a full 1080p movie online with tiscalis 2mb service (110k/s tops) and get a warning letter through the door every week.... yeah that will be fun.

no thanks it would be quicker for me to have a 5min walk into town and buy the blu ray.
 
thecremeegg said:
Yup there are limits still - i'm on virgin 20mb, and if you download more than 4Gb a day then they throttle you.
Havent had a letter yet mind you
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I nearly wet myself when I saw I had a letter, thought I was being done for what I had been downloading, not how much I was downloading. Physical media still has years left in it, I am sure they can keep increasing sizes of the discs, not that it is required at the minute.
 
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