There are 100s of bands as 'good' as Oasis

Nitefly said:
the talent required to play metal music is obscene
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No it isn't. I can do it with a Park practice amp, a distortion pedal and a Squire Strat. Just turn the distortion up 100% and hit some bar chords.

Nitefly said:
probably one of the most physically demanding genres of music there is to play.
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That doesn't make it good, nor does it make it skillful.

Nitefly said:
To say otherwise is either ignorent or plain stupid.
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If attacking me thus, at least try to spell ignorant correctly.
 
My amp is given away to my nephew and I haven't played guitars for a long time.

However, anyone can play metal music. Even people that have never held a guitar.
 
Well as usual, trying to persuade people to listen to different types of music is a fruitless endeavour. While I respect peoples opinions and tastes in music, I get the distinct impression that some people avoid certain types of music because of peer pressure, which is especially true when it comes to metal. I agree to a certain extent that metal is an especially difficult genre to break into and fully appreciate, but everything that people commonly frown upon (e.g. harsh vocals) are there for a reason and may only become apparent to the listener after some period of time.

In any case, I think last.fm is actually a decent way of discovering new metal you might like.
 
PurpleDinosaur said:
What? I was well aware of that, the point I've been arguing is that Oasis do have a diverse range of music, even if a lot of people here can't take the time to find that out.
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I must admit I was wrongly attributing some earlier posts to you- I do apologise. I was lumping you in with Gilly, sorry about that.

I think Oasis's real skill is that they take a basic musical style, and get a huge amount of excellent music out of it. I don't personally think there's an awful lot of diversity to what they do- even in that list you posted there are songs which are basically very similiar, Champagne Supernova and Cast No Shadow are, in my opinion, variants on a musical theme... And Stop Crying Your Heart Out sounds a lot like Don't Go Away, which means that both sound a lot like Don't Look Back In Anger without the chorus. Acquiesce sounds essentially like Cigarettes and Alcohol which sounds a lot like Rock and Roll Star, etc. There's nothing wrong with that... I don't think you have to be musically diverse to be great.
 
Gilly said:
No it isn't. I can do it with a Park practice amp, a distortion pedal and a Squire Strat. Just turn the distortion up 100% and hit some bar chords.
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I assume you, that really isn't typical of what metal bands play. Nu metal perhaps, but not metal. Metal normally involves high speed complicated rhythms. I have been playing guitar for almost 8 years now I certainly couldn't pick up a guitar and play a carbon copy of most metallica songs.

Sorry to post it again, but I don't think it gets any more skillful or technical than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LBweCbmlzY

Which you can't deny is a very impressive display of talent - I can't even play the riff at full speed. It takes samples from Bach, so you can't really argue with note choice either :p

That doesn't make it good, nor does it make it skillful.
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Are you sure? So despite it takes hundreds of hours, nay, years of practise to perfect, it is not skillful? So nothing which takes time to master is skillful? I'm confused.


If attacking me thus, at least try to spell ignorant correctly.
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I wasn't attacking you (you arn't stupid), but I would imply you are ignorant on the skill involved in metal music if you merely dismiss it as 'easy' from the view of playing an instrument.
 
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Gilly said:
My amp is given away to my nephew and I haven't played guitars for a long time.

However, anyone can play metal music. Even people that have never held a guitar.
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I fear that you have argued the "metal = unskilled noise" point for so long that you are unwilling to even accept the possibility that you are wrong for fear of losing face.

*n
 
Gilly said:
but turn the distortion up and the skill level down and I switch off. It becomes noise.
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Thats what OASIS do.

Noel is an awful guitarist. Technically he's bad and his solo's are laughable at most.

But he can pen a tune and that's what counts.

Cigarettes and Alcohol is one of the best tracks of the last 15 yrs.

When I'm in a pub and I hear that track Its lifts me.

******* in the bushes though is just twaddle.:p
 
Gilly said:
However, anyone can play metal music. Even people that have never held a guitar.
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There's a small amount of truth to that... When I first picked up a guitar, my brother tuned it to drop D and rolled on the distortion, and 5 minutes later I was playing a pretty passable version of Blind by Korn (bviously transposed for 6-string). 5 minutes later I was playing the verse and chorus of Walk by Pantera, well enough that you could have put me on a stage. But then, years on I still can't play the solo :D

Some guitarists can only play simple... And some metal guitarists can only play fretboard-w***ery. But good metal guitarists know when to play simple... Fristnace, Wes Borland from Limp Bizkit is a fantastically accomplished technical guitarist, but he's only known for nu-metal drop-d (and maybe drop-a) riffs, because that's what the music he was playing called for. John 5 from Marlyn Manson is similiar, he's an obscenely skilled player- his blues playing is probably better than his technical metal playing. (Behind the Nut Love is one of those rare examples of technical virtuosity that also sounds great) But in Manson he was mainly playing simple powerchord riffs, because that's what the job was.
 
Nitefly said:
Sorry but thats an lie, Don't Look Back in Anger has a phenomenal solo.
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100% agreed. It's obviously not the hardest solo in the world to play or that anyone has come up with but it is perfect, and so not at all an 'awful solo', it's pretty perfect. Same applies for Headshrinker, Live Forever, Slide Away, and the live versions of Champagne Supernova and Supersonic.
 
Gilly said:
My amp is given away to my nephew and I haven't played guitars for a long time.

However, anyone can play metal music. Even people that have never held a guitar.
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Try playing this :)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0jgrCKhxE1s

Regarding all metal being the same; thats power metal or a very shred heavy version of it, tell me that sounds the same as this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KJCO4DSc6a0

or this?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7ZG4WqjZ-Mo

Metal is very varied, different sound styles, different vocal styles; the only similarity being they all involve guitars etc, and tbh you can find metal/rock bands that vary and sit between genres for example Rammstein (especially the remixes) and arguably Stone Sour (some stuff is closer to Slipknot, other stuff is closer to nickelback - a rock not metal band)
 
Northwind2 said:
There's a small amount of truth to that... When I first picked up a guitar, my brother tuned it to drop D and rolled on the distortion, and 5 minutes later I was playing a pretty passable version of Blind by Korn (bviously transposed for 6-string). 5 minutes later I was playing the verse and chorus of Walk by Pantera, well enough that you could have put me on a stage. But then, years on I still can't play the solo :D
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Sorry but I have to disagree. I can drop-d and wing it with barre chords but to anyone with a slight ear from music, it is obvious that you aren't playing correctly. I'm quite possibly the least accomplished guitarist on here (see the guitar warriors thing; If I weren't do good at programming I would be laughed off the forum ;)) and even I know that. :p

*n
 
penski said:
Sorry but I have to disagree. I can drop-d and wing it with barre chords but to anyone with a slight ear from music, it is obvious that you aren't playing correctly.
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Well, Blind is in drop-A ;) So apart from being on a 6-string there's nothing incorrect at all about it.
 
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