Iran: two youths to be flogged and thrown off a cliff
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How on earth do you get a choice over whether you are gay or not? You can't chose! They were doomed, there was nothing they could do.
Anyone who supports that is.. well, I can't even think what they are.
What next? They murder women for being women and you post 'Well they knew the law...'
I don't care whether you think it's right or not, in there country they can whatever they like. Stone BMW drivers for example. My point is they broke the law and have to deal with the consequences, and having the excuse "I didn't know it was illegal excuse" isn't enough. Much like a bank robber using the same line.
As for the gay issue, it's illegal in that country, I personally don't have a problem with gays. But Iran and Islam does.
I find it amusing "we" try and force our ideals on them, yet if we do the same....regardless what is seen as "barbaric" I don't have a issue with any aspect of there legal system. If they want to change they will. If we "go in" and change them...that makes us worse as it's imposing our will. Much like if the Iranians invade the UK, on your logic that'll be acceptable because they see our system as "wrong"
They didn't break the law - they were born into that country as gay people or whatever and then murdered for it. It isnt a case of 'Well they knew the punishment..'. There was nothing they could do to avoid it.
They were homosexuals, and they were murdered for it. I'm sorry but I don't give a stuff which country it is, we are on the same planet and that is barbaric and completely wrong.
They can deal with their theives etc etc etc however they like - those people make a choice to nick something or assault somebody. But you dont chose your sexuality so hanging two CHILDREN for being gay is just... it's deplorable.
It's nothing like a bank robber using the same line.
Imagine it was illegal to have blue eyes. You were born, with blue eyes, and on your 17th birthday you were told you were going to be hung becuase your eyes are blue. Would you think that was acceptable? Would you think 'Well, its their laws I guess, sucks to be me, never mind'?
They were homosexuals, and they were murdered for it. I'm sorry but I don't give a stuff which country it is, we are on the same planet and that is barbaric and completely wrong.
They can deal with their theives etc etc etc however they like - those people make a choice to nick something or assault somebody. But you dont chose your sexuality so hanging two CHILDREN for being gay is just... it's deplorable.
It's nothing like a bank robber using the same line.
Imagine it was illegal to have blue eyes. You were born, with blue eyes, and on your 17th birthday you were told you were going to be hung becuase your eyes are blue. Would you think that was acceptable? Would you think 'Well, its their laws I guess, sucks to be me, never mind'?
?And that choice was illegal. So get out of Iran, go into a country that being gay isn't punishable by death. You'll give the exactly the same speech to an Iranian "breaking the law" over here.
Would you take give the same for say someone who likes animals (in that way) and children? (afaik the Netherlands has a younger age of consent) Is someone into animals/children "born that way?"
By your own opinion, in a strict country sees gays and lesbians, then we cannot do nothing about it. I think it's total arrogance tbh that "our ethics is better than yours" it's the sort of thing that starts wars.
Would you take give the same for say someone who likes animals (in that way) and children? (afaik the Netherlands has a younger age of consent) Is someone into animals/children "born that way?"
By your own opinion, in a strict country sees gays and lesbians, then we cannot do nothing about it. I think it's total arrogance tbh that "our ethics is better than yours" it's the sort of thing that starts wars.
It's not a choice.
[TW]Fox;10885393 said:
in that case then people who commit pedophilia should be left alone as they say that pedo's act on instinct and dont do it to be evil but thats what turns them on
im not saying being gay is wrong, what im syaing is if its illigal move to where its not, they knew what they were doing and knew the consequences, weather theys hould be hung or not is diffrent they did know they shouldnt be doing it
they could avoid it the same as a pedophile could avoid not attacking a kid
Yes, becuase emigrating is very easy and accessible to all
It's not arrogance at all. You've still not told me whether you'd be happy about your impending murder if you lived in a country where having blue eyes was illegal. Whats your thoughts on that?
Much as I disagree with what happens in Iran, ultimately it is up to the Iranian people to do something about the situation.
Being gay isn't, but acting on it is. If the act of homosexuality is punishable by death, then choosing not to have sex is there's.
Not that I agree with capital punishment for that, but that's besides the point. If they want to change the system, they will. What do you suggest, bombing the country and removing there goverment? If you're happy to do that, then by the same logic you'll accept the Iranian goverment attacking the UK and removing our goverment, and forcing Islam/Sharia law on us.
Attacking a kid is illegal and wrong in exactly the same way as attacking another man if you are a homosexual is illegal and wrong. I am not sure what your point is here.
I am talking about concensual sex. Sex with children cannot, by definition, by concensual and neither can sex with animals. Both are as illegal as sex with an unconsenting male would be in a developed country.
im sorry but u choose to have sex with someone, you both have to consent to it for a stat so u knwo whats happening... you are telling me if you'r wife has sex with some other fella ud be ok with her saying i didnt have a choice he was good looking i couldnt help myself... get outa town
No they won't, becuase the people don't get a say in this sort of regieme.
So are you saying that the removal of Hitler for his crimes against the Jews in his own country was wrong? Should Hitler have been allowed to continue to make it a crime to be a Jew?
Last time I checked we didn't murder our own citizens for anything, not even the worst crimes, let alone for those who chose to have concensual sex, so actually it would be nothing like them attacking us and imposing Sharia law.
It says they were killed for being homosexual not having sex. You can be homosexual without having sex, you know.
Not the same at all. Granted a gay man in Iran will have a lonely life, not being able to have sex with another man. But being in the closet isn't illegal in Iran, so if you're gay and keep quiet you'll be ok.
Much like a paedophile over here thinking about children, and never acting on those urges.
[TW]Fox;10885436 said:
i think you have to do it to be gay, otherwise you just think it, you have to do it.
sorry fox, but u can choose if u have sex or not unless your raped, in the case of rape one of em should be killed anyway, but as it wasnt they knew what they were doing and they knew the punishment end of, they obviously wanted to be martyrs otherwise theyd have not done it, i mean death for a shag, i know what id choose
and if you dont have to have sex to be gay, then how did they know?
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What, so you are not 'straight' until you have sex with a girl? Don't be daft. I've no idea what it feels like to be gay but I very much doubt you can't be gay until you've had sex.
I guess clarification is hard to find but it says they were killed for being gay, not for having intercourse.
Perhaps they made the mistake of telling the wrong person? Unless they were having sex in the street nobody would really know even if they did have sex anyway.
In your opinion. If a country full of paedophiles existed there law would be a law allowing it. There ethics and laws are just as valid as yours, and in fact when it comes to there country you have no say or right in changing it- otherwise you are seen as a extremist and power mad person.
Many countries have a revolution. If they want to change they will. I bet we didn't think the Indians would stand up to us. But they did, even though it was bloody.
In no way does the mass genocide of the jews have any relevance to a person breaking the law.
I really don't think you have the capacity to think out of yourself...MY WAY IS RIGHT. In Iran, there's a member on a forums called [TW]IranianFox saying that the UK system in advocating gay/lesbian rights, women at work, women voting, is disgusting and Islam way is ethically and morally right. We should invade the UK and arrest/kill those who do not think like me.
Get the point?