Games Piracy - What's your take on it?

Using the excuse of 'he cant't afford to buy it, so wouldn't have bought it anyway' is just another poor way of justifying getting something for nothing. The reason he downloads it is because he wants to have it, he can get away with it, it saves him money and his own morals don't prevent him from doing it. Nothing else.
I agree with you about weak excuses. I think people will always justify their acts (to themselves) no matter what they do. Joss Whedon once said (paraphrasing) that the secret to portraying a bad guy accurately is not to play him as evil because to him he's not. I think that's true.

So ignoring what i've just said i'll try and justify, or at least explain my piracy:
First off i should say that i'm one of those try before you buy pirates, when it comes to games. Buy could mean anything from staright away as soon as I know I like it to waiting for it to cost a fiver. So i admit it's costing the industry money.

Despite having had broadband for the last 4 years and visiting those nasty sites reguarly to aquire american TV series it's only in the last year that i've been downloading games. Why?
Well it may cause a few groans but i was driven there by the games makers. A faulty disc and a FU policy from the publisher left me with the choice of paying again or trying to get the game from another source. up till then I'd left warez alone, partly because I was anti piracy and partly because I was concerned how difficult it would be. That first experience opened my eyes to just how easy it was. Infact the ease extended beyond the lack of expense to not even needing a disc to play the game.
Next came the expansion pack for a game where I felt the makers had taken the money and then not supported the game leaving it to the community to supply all the patches. Why should i give them more money when they can't even hold up their end of the bargain for the original purchase? After that it was a small leap to downloading the sequel to a similarly unsupported and broken game from a distrustworthy publisher. A potentially sloppy console port etc.

The feeling of being taken for a ride by the industry that had grown over the previous few years finally had a better outlet than ranting to the brick wall in the games forums. They already had their money and in the suits eyes that made the game successful. Who cares if I enjoyed it? Perhaps pirates are more sophisticated than people give them credit for. Not just mindless thieves but people making a statement about the current state of gaming on the PC. people saying "we love gaming but we don't love your designed by commitee, lowest common denominator console ports".

Another possible reason for piracy is that the industry is a victim of its own successful marketing. Significant money is thrown at making these games "must have" products. By fuelling that demand and creating a society where the desire for material goods overcomes morality the publishers are the ones driving people to steal.
 
Games developers don't deserve to be paid because they're too lazy so I pirate as many games as I possibly can as a matter of principle.
 
I agree with you about weak excuses. I think people will always justify their acts (to themselves) no matter what they do. Joss Whedon once said (paraphrasing) that the secret to portraying a bad guy accurately is not to play him as evil because to him he's not. I think that's true.

And as for Joss Wheadon, I'd never even have heard of Firefly, if I hadn't happened across it on the internet, and downloaded the entire series.

Loved it.

Bought the boxset when it came out, and Serenity.
I'll also buy Serenity again, if it ever comes to bluray.

Furthermore, my Father borrowed my boxset and loved it, and also bought the boxset, and Serenity.

All because I "illegally" downloaded a Sci-Fi show I found by accident.

That harmed the industry! ;)

V1N.
 
Well it may cause a few groans but i was driven there by the games makers. A faulty disc and a FU policy from the publisher left me with the choice of paying again or trying to get the game from another source. up till then I'd left warez alone, partly because I was anti piracy and partly because I was concerned how difficult it would be. That first experience opened my eyes to just how easy it was. Infact the ease extended beyond the lack of expense to not even needing a disc to play the game.

This is why I prefer pirate copies of games to legit copies. They are easy. Install the file, copy over a crack, maybe pop online to find a serial if needs be, then bam done. It plays. Just goes, easy as pie. No need to have a big stash of discs at the ready, no noise from my DVD drive etc.

The other big plus is the lack of evil copy protection systems like Starforce. They try ever harder by making the things more and more intrusive but every time, virtually without fail, the pirate copies still appear, but without stuff like Starforce that decides it won't let you play your game because it doesn't like the brand of DVD drive you use or something.

Same with films, don't have of any of that 'ARE YOU A PIRATE? FUND TERRORISTS? IN LEAGUE WITH AL-QAEDA ARE YOU? SELLING DRUGS TO 4 YEAR OLDS?' before the film, no unskippable trailers etc. etc.

Pirate copies are brilliant. A lot of the time, I even use pirate versions of stuff that i've bought, just because they're less of a pain in the **** to use.
 
Games developers don't deserve to be paid because they're too lazy so I pirate as many games as I possibly can as a matter of principle.

Who would make them if they weren't paid? You're basically saying you pirate games to stop them existing in the first place. Sure there are some good games people have made in their spare time, but they don't really compare to full commercial releases.
 
Who would make them if they weren't paid? You're basically saying you pirate games to stop them existing in the first place. Sure there are some good games people have made in their spare time, but they don't really compare to full commercial releases.

That wasn't an entirely serious post, hence why it makes no sense ;)
 
as some people have already said, when I was a poor student I used to download games because I simple couldnt afford to buy them. Now im working I buy the games, the only time ill download a game is if there is no demo or im not sure if the games any good. If I download something play it and enjoy it I then go out and buy it. SO i basically treat downloading games as "share ware" I use it and I like it ill buy it, I use it and dont like it ill delete it.
 
After talking to a few mates that work in the games industry I know how hard they work, and how much effort is put into the games, I would never ever download a game or copy one... buying is a way of saying good work, I think your company is worth it

Stelly
 
Pirated DVD's vs pirated games? That's an unfair comparison, PC games don't suffer inferior visual/audio quality when using a pirated copy, the only difference is that in general you can't play multiplayer or patch it as frequently. They're not like pirated DVD's in any way besides the legalities obviously.

There is no difference between the audio and visual quality of a pirated film these days if you go to the right places. Infact, at present i know of a means to obtain full 1080p stuff with 5.1 DTS.

Actually this is part of the problem. Why continue to extend my already huge DVD library if i know that something better, but well out of my price range, is available? In turn, why should i continue to pay money to buy more DVDs when, for a much lower cost, i can obtain something better?

I admit piracy is wrong, as previously stated i have a huge legit DVD and games collection, but the fact of the matter is on the films front, DVDs are expensive considering its possible to obtain HD stuff very easily and HD media is just insanely expensive.

One of two things needs to happen, the prices need to fall or they need to work harder at making stuff impossible to copy.

[EDIT] Oh and if anyone doubts the ease of getting full HD stuff online. I own Pans Labrynthe on DVD, but when i went home to visit the parents and went to watch it on their standard DVD player on their HDTV it looked rubbish (they haven't got around to buying an upscaler yet and refuse to invest in a HDDVD or bluray player until its decided which will be the next big thing). So i popped upstairs, 30 mins later had a full 1080p to watch.

I paid for the product but decided against using it because the pirated copy was of a far better quality.
 
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Who cares.

When they stop chasing after a peep for downloading a few albums fining them $8000 and get all Rapist and Pedo's and Murderers in jail, then I will stop my downloads (watch and delete, do not agree with lamers who sell them).
 
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[EDIT] Oh and if anyone doubts the ease of getting full HD stuff online. I own Pans Labrynthe on DVD, but when i went home to visit the parents and went to watch it on their standard DVD player on their HDTV it looked rubbish (they haven't got around to buying an upscaler yet and refuse to invest in a HDDVD or bluray player until its decided which will be the next big thing). So i popped upstairs, 30 mins later had a full 1080p to watch.

I paid for the product but decided against using it because the pirated copy was of a far better quality.

Well, not strictly, you paid for a low quality version and used a high quality version.

Not an awful lot different to me getting given a large coffee instead of the regular i paid for this morning and not saying anything though, in principle :p
 
Who cares.

When they stop chasing after a peep for downloading a few albums finsinh them $8000 and get all Rapist and Pedo's and murderers in jail, then I will stop my downloads (watch and delete, do not agree with lamers who sell them).

Very good point, why do the riaa or whatever they are go after a 12 yr old girl who download a couple of thousand songs when you can walk into your pub and see some random guy walking around with a duffel bag full of pirated dvds trying to pawn them off.

When they start targeting the right people i might become sympathetic to their cause.
 
After talking to a few mates that work in the games industry I know how hard they work, and how much effort is put into the games, I would never ever download a game or copy one... buying is a way of saying good work, I think your company is worth it

Stelly
That's what i was trying to say though. You buy a game without knowing if it's going to be good and even if you hate it you've endorsed that product with your money.
My concern is that companies like Bethesda equate the large sales of Oblivion as people saying "excellent" and they'll ignore the millions of posts around the internet (of which i'm responsible for at least a quarter :D ) complaining about lack of bug fixes and poor game mechanics. People buy into what they want the game to be and end up dissapointed but to the companies it's a validation of their business practices.
 
I personally don't agree with pirating games, but I can understand why some people have done it.

Two points

1) Cost of a downloadable game on steam - CoD was ridiculous, saying that I got it from the shop for 24.99 which is a bargain considering the amount of online fun I've had.

I thought downloads were meant to be cheaper, it's effectively a way to cut out the distibution chain and charge what you like.

2) Withholding demo's as the game is so crap, PES 2008 anyone - the amount of people including myself that went and purchased this on the 360 and it was a stinker.

Never again.

On the whole though, there are some people out there that moan about having to pay for game that someone has taken years to develop, yet then moan that PC games scene is dying or the consoles are getting all the exclusives.

I think this is what's hurting the PC games industry, not high spec machines.

I think PC games at 17.99 - 27.99 is very reasonable, they need to develop a way to stop pirates without penalising legitmate users. I know for one if this were to kill of the PC games scene it would be a very very sad day.

As I said this is just my opinion
 
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