There are 100s of bands as 'good' as Oasis

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Just seen Pitchfork's review for "Various Artists
The Brit Box: U.K. Indie, Shoegaze and Brit-Pop Gems of the Last Millennium"

Little comment in there made me laugh, thought it relevant for this thread:

"Within 18 months, however, Britpop devolved into just another version of the dour classic/arena rock retread it was meant to oppose in the first place. Cocaine didn't help, but Oasis' dominance was probably to blame most of all."

Oasis never meant to oppose anything apart from the bands around them at the same time. I already said in this thread that Oasis took influence from a whole host of bands before them, and didn't let themselves go down pointless routes of saying 'because I like X band I hate Y band'. They set out with the aim of becoming the biggest band in the world, to become millionaires and go absolutely mental when they got there.

Britpop is just a name that the media plastered on Oasis, just like the media plastered Grunge on Nirvana and Punk onto the Sex Pistols. None of these bands ever considered themselves anything other than 'just' a rock n roll band.

Missed this bit. I don't think not having working class attitudes precludes me from judging Oasis' music, just as, not being there when Rachmaninoff was composing his concertos doesn't stop me from appreciating the music that was created.

(6,999 posts woo!)

Well it does have an effect on whether you appreciate it or not. You can't deny the lyrical content adds another emotional connection to the song. The lyrics on songs like Supersonic, Roll With It, Rock n Roll Star, Cigarettes and Alcohol sum up working class attitudes brilliantly. After years of bands like Nirvana (another great band, even though I hated them) singing songs about how they hate themselves and want to commit suicide, now you've got a band coming along and singing about how their 'gonna live forever', how you can have anything you want as long as you've got the passion for it and to be yourself. Its along the same lines as the stuff sports stars like Ali or Spitz used to come out with. In this thread you have already shown how you reckon that hard work doesn't pay off in most cases, so how are you going to 'get' Oasis when that is what half their songs are about?

Har de har.

Do you understand what I was saying now, and can answer the question? Or you just going to dodge it?

I understand exactly what you are saying. Your view is that to be a great band you don't have to change the way people talk, dress or think and you used bands like My Chemical Romance as an example as if to say changing these things doesn't make you a great band. My Chemical Romance have changed what? Pretty much nothing in British Culture and in my view they don't have any songs to go with it so your example doesn't hold up.

Coincidently you continuously dodge the evidence I put forward about Oasis not repeatedly making the 'same' songs over and over again, and still keep claiming they do. Are you actually able to back up your statement that Oasis make the same style of music? I doubt it.

 

[THMRK]

Just to clarify with Cursive, the contrast between their last album Happy Hollow and the album before it, The Ugly Organ, is like night and day. It's almost like an entirely diffrent band.

 

[v0n]

I don't know whether to "lol" or "hahaha" at the A-ha comment

Well, just to give credit where it's due - A-ha, is actually good example - was synth-eurodisco boyband, is (as they still exist) melancholic nordic rock-a-troubadourism (in short- eskimo Crosby Stills and Nash)

 

[Carzy]

Just to clarify with Cursive, the contrast between their last album Happy Hollow and the album before it, The Ugly Organ, is like night and day. It's almost like an entirely diffrent band.

And both are amazing

Oasis never meant to oppose anything apart from the bands around them at the same time. I already said in this thread that Oasis took influence from a whole host of bands before them, and didn't let themselves go down pointless routes of saying 'because I like X band I hate Y band'. They set out with the aim of becoming the biggest band in the world, to become millionaires and go absolutely mental when they got there.

Another reason for me to dislike them then. Setting out with no explicit aim to actually write any decent music, just to be rich and famous. Fantastic.

Britpop is just a name that the media plastered on Oasis, just like the media plastered Grunge on Nirvana and Punk onto the Sex Pistols. None of these bands ever considered themselves anything other than 'just' a rock n roll band.


Well it does have an effect on whether you appreciate it or not. You can't deny the lyrical content adds another emotional connection to the song. The lyrics on songs like Supersonic, Roll With It, Rock n Roll Star, Cigarettes and Alcohol sum up working class attitudes brilliantly. After years of bands like Nirvana (another great band, even though I hated them) singing songs about how they hate themselves and want to commit suicide, now you've got a band coming along and singing about how their 'gonna live forever', how you can have anything you want as long as you've got the passion for it and to be yourself. Its along the same lines as the stuff sports stars like Ali or Spitz used to come out with. In this thread you have already shown how you reckon that hard work doesn't pay off in most cases, so how are you going to 'get' Oasis when that is what half their songs are about?

I never said "in most cases", I just pointed out that it isn't as black and white as you seem to make out, and that all the cream rises to the top. Which it plainly doesn't...and the fact that some bad stuff does rise to the top too! I'm much more musically minded, than lyrically minded if I'm honest and I certainly don't have the same view as you which sees to be if you can't relate to the lyrics then you have no basis to dislike the songs, which is rubbish. Half the music I listen to is instrumental anyway, but by the sounds of it, even from what you've said (and not what I've heard) their lyrics still sound like crap "waaaaaaayyy I'm drinking down the pub with my mates FRIENDS FOREVER YAAAAY" The Killers-esque crap (yes I know there'd probably be no The Killers without Oasis..no The Killers would be a good thing in my book )

I understand exactly what you are saying. Your view is that to be a great band you don't have to change the way people talk, dress or think and you used bands like My Chemical Romance as an example as if to say changing these things doesn't make you a great band. My Chemical Romance have changed what? Pretty much nothing in British Culture and in my view they don't have any songs to go with it so your example doesn't hold up.

I never said they'd had some ridiculously large impact on British culture (where does British enter into it anyway?). I'm putting them up as an example of a band who have had a big impact on the way people dress or talk (and this is pretty much fact, the influence of MCR and FOB on the current generation of teenagers is undeniable), and yet have no merit whatsoever. Thus I disagree entirely that changing fashions has any impact on the quality of the music, as you seem to put forward.

Coincidently you continuously dodge the evidence I put forward about Oasis not repeatedly making the 'same' songs over and over again, and still keep claiming they do. Are you actually able to back up your statement that Oasis make the same style of music? I doubt it.

Are you able to back up your hatred for Tool and SOAD? If you really want, I'll go and listen to every Oasis album to prove my point that they are bland, but I'll only be able to prove it to myself. It's the same kind of thing with someone going "All classical music sounds the same", they think it does, and I don't know how you expect them to 'prove" otherwise. It's probably got something to do with me hating Noel's voice rather than the music, but the whole act is rather tiresome.

 

[Gilly]

The Prodigy - Rubbish from FotL onwards
Radiohead - Rubbish from The Bends onwards

Its a shame they did that. Yes, it is bad to be stagnant and not change at all, but surely it is worse to cause your own rubbishness.

 

[Column Matrix]

but by the sounds of it, even from what you've said (and not what I've heard) their lyrics still sound like crap "waaaaaaayyy I'm drinking down the pub with my mates FRIENDS FOREVER YAAAAY" The Killers-esque crap

So you've actually just admitted that you haven't listened to pretty much any Oasis at all apart from Wonderwall probably. No personal attacks. I don't half hate some of the massive bands that have been and gone but I don't ramble on about how awful they are when I haven't even taken the time to listen to them.

 

[Carzy]

Its a shame they did that. Yes, it is bad to be stagnant and not change at all, but surely it is worse to cause your own rubbishness.

Yea we all know about you and Radiohead. Bugger off blasphemer!

FotL is a good album. And Spitfire is a crackin' tune.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Just to clarify with Cursive, the contrast between their last album Happy Hollow and the album before it, The Ugly Organ, is like night and day. It's almost like an entirely diffrent band.

So basically if I'd bought the 1st album and loved it I would have been very upset when I bought the 2nd album and found out it wasn't the same - or vice versa.
Ironically theres another thread about Metallica and I'm quite vocal about how they got awful after the Metallica album.
Someone like Gilly would say that it all sounds the same and basically he's right because you're still getting heavy guitars etc.

 

[Gilly]

FotL is tainted by the fact that The Prodigy were awesome before it.

Radiohead just suck. They went experimental and people still buy their garbage. Its like people buying abstract art they don't understand. They buy it because it is 'cool' and 'avant garde'. When really its nonsense.

 

[Carzy]

So you've actually just admitted that you haven't listened to pretty much any Oasis at all apart from Wonderwall probably. I don't half hate some of the massive bands that have been and gone but I don't ramble on about how awful they are when I haven't even taken the time to listen to them.

I'd rather you didn't personally insult me, would be horrible to see you suspended, I pity you enough with such a strong love for Oasis! If you really want to know, I've owned physical copies of Be Here Now, Definitely Maybe, and What's The Story and heard a lot of other Oasis stuff. I don't know how my previous post admitted anything other than a dislike for Oasis.

Come back when you have any idea what you're on about.

 

[THMRK]

So basically if I'd bought the 1st album and loved it I would have been very upset when I bought the 2nd album and found out it wasn't the same - or vice versa.
Ironically theres another thread about Metallica and I'm quite vocal about how they got awful after the Metallica album.
Someone like Gilly would say that it all sounds the same and basically he's right because you're still getting heavy guitars etc.

Well, I do know of a couple of people who loved The Ugly Organ but didn't like Happy Hollow (dropping the cello and bringing a horn section). Before those two albums, their sound was diffrent too. Their album Domestica is probably the most "normal" sounding record they've got. I like that their sound is ever evolving and ever changing. You can still tell it's Cursive due to Tim Kashers voice and his lyrics.

Both albums have entirely diffrent moods. And guitar tones. Bass tones. Instrumentation. Structure. Instruments in general. And styles. You'd need to hear it to get it. So I recommend you do hear it! Cause both albums really are great.

I love them.

 

[Column Matrix]

Are you able to back up your hatred for Tool and SOAD? If you really want, I'll go and listen to every Oasis album to prove my point that they are bland, but I'll only be able to prove it to myself. It's the same kind of thing with someone going "All classical music sounds the same", they think it does, and I don't know how you expect them to 'prove" otherwise. It's probably got something to do with me hating Noel's voice rather than the music, but the whole act is rather tiresome.

Noel's voice. Liam is the lead singer..

I haven't said once that I hated Tool or SOAD. But I sure as hell knew that the moment I posted this thread some idiot fanboy of theirs or Mars Volta or Liquid Tension Experiment will come along with the crap you've come out with which basically boils down to that 'Oasis are awful musicians'. You know I listen to Mars Volta and LTE from time to time too? Maybe they are better musicians than anyone in Oasis but with songwriting I don't think they are, and that's probably the hardest skill.

 

[Carzy]

Well, I do know of a couple of people who loved The Ugly Organ but didn't like Happy Hollow (dropping the cello and bringing a horn section). Before those two albums, their sound was diffrent too. Their album Domestica is probably the most "normal" sounding record they've got. I like that their sound is ever evolving and ever changing. You can still tell it's Cursive due to Tim Kashers voice and his lyrics.

I love them.

Aye.

Such Blinding Sights is massively different to Domestica, is massively different to Ugly Organ, is massively different to Happy Hollow. But it's Tim Kasher, so every incarnation is genius!

dmpoole....most Cursive fans love all the albums

 

[Carzy]

Noel's voice. Liam is the lead singer..

I haven't said once that I hated Tool or SOAD. But I sure as hell knew that the moment I posted this thread some idiot fanboy of theirs or Mars Volta or Liquid Tension Experiment will come along with the crap you've come out with which basically boils down to that 'Oasis are awful musicians'. You know I listen to Mars Volta and LTE from time to time too? Maybe they are better musicians than anyone in Oasis but with songwriting I don't think they are, and that's probably the hardest skill.

Sorry I got brothers mixed up! They've both completely tools anyway. Please stop listening to The Mars Volta, it's not so good for the fanbase. Your hatred for Tool and SOAD was implicit in the way you throw around accusations of being a Tool fan just because someone dislikes Oasis, which is clearly rubbish.

And yea, LTE can't write songs at all, but they're still better than Oasis!

 

[Column Matrix]

Whatever, you're arguing for the sake of it

 

[Carzy]

Radiohead just suck. They went experimental and people still buy their garbage. Its like people buying abstract art they don't understand. They buy it because it is 'cool' and 'avant garde'. When really its nonsense.

You can't surely think that's true in all cases?

 

[Gilly]

Whatever, you're arguing for the sake of it

You lost your argument when you went to insults, if you'd not lost it before.

You can't surely think that's true in all cases?

All cases? Not sure what you mean.

 

[Lysander]

You can't surely think that's true in all cases?

It comes down to the fact that he just doesn't like them, which is fair enough.

Personally I loved OK Computer, Kid A and Amnesiac regardless of whether they were popular or not. I'm not someone who follows the mainstream, in fact I deplore it, but I really like those albums.

 

[Carzy]

You lost your argument when you went to insults, if you'd not lost it before.



All cases? Not sure what you mean.

That everyone who likes Kid A likes it because they think it's 'avant-garde' or 'cool'? That would pretty much mean every electronic band I liked (because I love the electronic influence in Kid A), I like because they are 'alternative' which would mean I'd like an awful lot of music for no artistic merit!

 

[penski]

Don't know Minus or Cursive but I'm betting their output is based around the same stuff

Mínus' first two albums (Hey Johnny and Jesus Christ Bobby) were full-on hardcore metal; balls-to-the-wall drums and bass, wall-of-sound guitars and vocals that were ROARED.

They followed JCB up with Hàlldor Laxness...Smooth, funky, melodic, good old-fashioned rock and roll mixed up with a bit of post-hardcore (think Glassjaw but...good).

Complete shift in direction.

Then you have bands like Pitch Shifter who started off as strict industrialists then evolved and brought in more dance and electro tinges, produced one of the best rock albums of all time in www.pitchshifter.com, hit their peak then devolved into a nu-metal pastiche of what they once were.

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