Latest gen consoles and piracy.

Joebob

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Who has the best and worst anti-piracy in this current gen of console? I know the PSP is really bad and that you can also get the 360 hacked with some custom firmware but I have not heard anything about the DS or Wii and as far as I can see the PS3 seems fairly solid too.

Has Sony seen the mistakes they made with the PS1 and PS2 in terms of piracy and made the PS3 ultra secure? If so then why haven't they managed to do the same with the PSP?

I know a lot of peoples 360's got barred from online because of running custrom firmware - is this behind them now or is it still a problem for MS?

Where do you think the future of gaming is heading with current piracy rates?
I think big games which have always been PC will start moving to consoles as first choice - especially after the incredible poor sales and ultra high piracy rates of Crysis on PC!
 
I doubt the PS3 is ultra secure, just a matter of time PS2 took a while to be breached, but I suppose its a rather touchy subject to discuss here and stay within the forum rules. I will bet once the PS3 is cracked then sales will drastically increase, as with the PS2 :)
 
Joebob said:
I think big games which have always been PC will start moving to consoles as first choice - especially after the incredible poor sales and ultra high piracy rates of Crysis on PC!
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Can't think of any big titles that could start moving to consoles and even if they do I don't mind, if anything it will likely be multi-format.

The likes of Valve aren't going anywhere, PC is their home, same story with Ken Levine, 2K Boston won't ditch PC either.

I don't think PC games are going anywhere, piracy has been an issue for years and years and years and nothing has changed.
 
Joebob said:
but I have not heard anything about the DS or Wii
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Its rife, especially the DS. PS3 is still pretty much untouched, although the games can be dumped easily.

EDIT - bah, that's what you get for starting a reply then getting distracted for 5 mins...
 
Mr Men said:
I doubt the PS3 is ultra secure, just a matter of time PS2 took a while to be breached, but I suppose its a rather touchy subject to discuss here and stay within the forum rules. I will bet once the PS3 is cracked then sales will drastically increase, as with the PS2 :)
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Not many people have Blu-Ray writers and you can't exactly fit loads of games onto the hard drive, even if you upgraded it you'd need a pretty big one to fit lots of them on.
 
Jihad said:
Not many people have Blu-Ray writers and you can't exactly fit loads of games onto the hard drive, even if you upgraded it you'd need a pretty big one to fit lots of them on.
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Not many people had CD writers, then DVD writers either, you will get the market stall guys selling them or that one guy in the workplace selling them before they become more mainstream and common in most PC's.
 
Mr Men said:
Not many people had CD writers, then DVD writers either, you will get the market stall guys selling them or that one guy in the workplace selling them before they become more mainstream and common in most PC's.
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Yes but Dual Layer DVD-RW's were about £25 new shortly after the 360 was cracked, do you know how expensive Blu-Ray writers are?
 
Jihad said:
Yes but Dual Layer DVD-RW's were about £25 new shortly after the 360 was cracked, do you know how expensive Blu-Ray writers are?
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My point is CD writers when first appeared were just as expensive, same with DVD writers, you think the cost of a BR writer will stay that high? As I said the guys on market stalls and dodgy shops will buy them and sell the games making a mint, and there is always one guy in the marketplace taking orders.

Dual Layer was not a new format when the 360 got cracked either.
 
From what I read:

DS - easiest and most rife
PSP - next easiest
Wii - next easiest
360 - next easiest
PS3 - not possible (atm).

Coincidentally (assuming my assumptions are correct), the number of worldwide sales of the device seems to correlate to the ease of piracy on that device/platform.

PS2 was cracked much earlier in it's lifecycle than where PS3 is now. Either it is really tough to crack (likely) or no-one wants to crack it (unlikley).


rp2000
 
Mr Men said:
My point is CD writers when first appeared were just as expensive, same with DVD writers, you think the cost of a BR writer will stay that high? As I said the guys on market stalls and dodgy shops will buy them and sell the games making a mint, and there is always one guy in the marketplace taking orders.

Dual Layer was not a new format when the 360 got cracked either.
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No Blu-Ray writers won't stay the same price, but they will be fairly high for a good while yet, DVD however had been out for ages so discs were cheap and dual layer was rapidly coming down in price.
 
Jihad said:
No Blu-Ray writers won't stay the same price, but they will be fairly high for a good while yet, DVD however had been out for ages so discs were cheap and dual layer was rapidly coming down in price.
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I see a BR writer for £170 really not that expensive, and not at all more expensive for the likes of a DVD writer when they first appeared either, yet the people mass pirating games still could afford them, thats the best time for the pirates as they can sell much more games and make much more money.
 
Joebob said:
Who has the best and worst anti-piracy in this current gen of console? I know the PSP is really bad and that you can also get the 360 hacked with some custom firmware but I have not heard anything about the DS or Wii and as far as I can see the PS3 seems fairly solid too.
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The best form of anti piracy is a proprietary format, it's why the gamecube took so long to be hacked. The PS3 is still very young so we have no idea whether the console will be fully cracked yet and some minor progress has been made on cracking the 360. I think the Wii is the weakest as people are close to running unsigned code on it and people already run unsigned code on the DS and PSP.

Pirate games, as opposed to unsigned software, will always exist on every format within the systems lifespan.
 
I suppose in a strange way..pirated software on the 360 has led to more console sales as a fair few people have 2 consoles..1 for xboxlive so untouched and one for cracked games...and you still have to pay for original games if you want to play on line

there is still a definite grey area as to what microsoft can actually detect and some people just wont take the risk and end up banned from live
 
Jihad said:
Not many people have Blu-Ray writers and you can't exactly fit loads of games onto the hard drive, even if you upgraded it you'd need a pretty big one to fit lots of them on.
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The games are approximately the same size as 360 games once the redundant padding is removed.

DreXeL said:
360 is easier than Wii.
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By a country mile.

FTM said:
there is still a definite grey area as to what microsoft can actually detect and some people just wont take the risk and end up banned from live
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We know with almost complete certainty that they can't tell which firmware you are running, only whether the requests they make to the drive return the appropriate results.
 
Kreeeee said:
The games are approximately the same size as 360 games once the redundant padding is removed.
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To my knowledge though there is no proof that the games will work once you remove the padded/duplicated files, I would imagine if/when it is hacked they will have to be 1:1 copies to begin with and then "ripped" versions later on with redundant data removed, once people learn the system better.

I am fairly sure the ps3 has lasted the longest so far (released 13/14 months ago now?) than any other console/handheld this gen.


rp2000
 
The PS3 is the 'hardest' to pirate for purely because of the cost of Blu-Rays, burners and as a result, the level of research into breaking that system isn't the same that's gone into the Wii, Xbox360, DS or PSP.
 
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