Teen Suicides

miracleboy · 24 Jan 2008 at 17:52

Just reading about these linked suicides in Wales, incredibly sad that this is happening - I don't really have any idea what the cause or solution is - whether it is internet related (people committed suicide before the internet) or a product of their environment.

Hadn't heard about it until this latest girl killed herself, such a waste - she was young, pretty (IMO) and had her life ahead of her.

Seems from reading around that there is a whole sub culture related to suicide on chat rooms etc, some of the comments on the chat rooms to this kid just before he killed himself are unsettling to say the least - "go out and see the stars", "see you on the other side", "happy bus ride".

chris_r · 24 Jan 2008 at 17:56

It is a growing problem and it's at the highest ever, depression is now the biggest illness in the UK with heart disease at second.

Its a shame, i had depression for 10 years and lay unconcious from a suicide attempt. You can see videos, songs and read up about my progress here: www.caremyspace.co.uk i plug it whenever i get the chance because it inspires many people worldwide of all ages, and thankfully i commit my time to help people one on one, to be told you saved them or they are inspired from you an changed their life, is for me, priceless.

respect, chris

Nitefly · 24 Jan 2008 at 18:01

chris_r said:
respect, chris

What a great website/idea. Well done

Indy500 · 24 Jan 2008 at 18:03

How many were on SSRIs? 50%? 80%?

/awaits flaming

chris_r · 24 Jan 2008 at 19:35

Nitefly said:
What a great website/idea. Well done

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Appreciated

Stev · 24 Jan 2008 at 19:46

miracleboy said:
Just reading about these linked suicides in Wales.

**** all else to do I suppose...

NO SWEARING

sorry to be mean, but if a 17 year old cant survive without her ass bouncing off the wall, whats she going to be like when she gets real responsibility or hell, even a kid? the poor little tyke would have the worst start ever.
Depression as a teenager is attention seeking, you have an entire life to live, and you wanna end it so early? good riddence, you dont deserve the gift youve been given.

Indy500 · 24 Jan 2008 at 19:49

Stev said:
but if a 17 year old cant survive without her ass bouncing off the wall, whats she going to be like when she gets real responsibility or hell, even a kid? the poor little tyke would have the worst start ever.
Depression as a teenager is attention seeking, you have an entire life to live, and you wanna end it so early? good riddence, you dont deserve the gift youve been given.

If its not linked to a fixed event or point, for example rape or another traumatic event, then something is seriously wrong. Since there's no background on the people they're referring to I can't surmise anything about those cases.

Moredhel · 24 Jan 2008 at 19:53

Reading the article, it seems they don't know if the people had ever even spoken to each other, they're looking at social networking sites without any evidence at all.

Indy500 · 24 Jan 2008 at 19:54

Moredhel said:
Reading the article, it seems they don't know if the people had ever even spoken to each other, they're looking at social networking sites without any evidence at all.

The police ruled out suicide pacts between them as well.

Alex UK · 24 Jan 2008 at 19:54

Stev said:
**** all else to do I suppose...

sorry to be mean, but if a 17 year old cant survive without her ass bouncing off the wall, whats she going to be like when she gets real responsibility or hell, even a kid? the poor little tyke would have the worst start ever.
Depression as a teenager is attention seeking, you have an entire life to live, and you wanna end it so early? good riddence, you dont deserve the gift youve been given.

You really, really need to grow up. Seriously, you obviously have no idea why people become depressed. A lot of the time it's not their choice, they're not doing it to 'seek attention', it's a very serious problem. For you to say that people who commit suicide due to depression don't deserve to live, is quite frankly, frightening.

Indy500 · 24 Jan 2008 at 19:57

Alex UK said:
You really, really need to grow up. Seriously, you obviously have no idea why people become depressed. A lot of the time it's not their choice, they're not doing it to 'seek attention', it's a very serious problem. For you to say that people who commit suicide due to depression don't deserve to live, is quite frankly, frightening.

There are a portion who are victim to faulty genes causing chemical problems in the body (eg lacking serotonin).

Stev · 24 Jan 2008 at 20:05

Alex UK said:
You really, really need to grow up. Seriously, you obviously have no idea why people become depressed. A lot of the time it's not their choice, they're not doing it to 'seek attention', it's a very serious problem. For you to say that people who commit suicide due to depression don't deserve to live, is quite frankly, frightening.

you've been given the gift of a life, and life in England(wales) with no important worries even if you have been raped, that has happened once, with some help from, friends you can learn to forget about, sure your gonna have some emotional problems, and yes you may never look at men the same EVER again, but basically, your not in a bloody warzone avoiding hardship and bullets and being molested on a regular basis, you dont have to worry if your next meal is even coming, or hell, if you can find food for the week, water here is clean and drinkable.

I may not no what depression is, but these kids dont know what hardship is. as a country we are becoming softer and softer, and im not a macho masculine man, hell, i worry too much about my weight for that heh. BUT i can see that the more and more we "counsel" people into believing they are depressed because they have it hard and that its societies fault, the more people are going to feel helpless and commit suicide or do worse. where do you draw the line?

sorry if I sound cruel but my brother has "faked" depression and suicide, I have friends that have "faked" depression, all over bloody trivial things that in a years time wont even matter, try proving that all those kids from the same area had something to be depressed about....and not just them bouncing around because and old flame dumped them, or they got fired from the local fast food shop.

Indy500 · 24 Jan 2008 at 20:11

Stev said:
try proving that all those kids from the same area had something to be depressed about....and not just them bouncing around because and old flame dumped them, or they got fired from the local fast food shop.

You're merely speculating. Please show us where you got this information from. We do not know the cause of their suicide, and cannot without their backgrounds.

Stev · 24 Jan 2008 at 20:16

sr4470 said:
You're merely speculating. Please show us where you got this information from. We do not know the cause of their suicide, and cannot without their backgrounds.

Dale Crole, 18, from Porthcawl, went missing Sept 2006, body found Jan 2007
Zachary Barnes, 17, Bridgend, found hanged
Liam Clarke, 20, Bridgend, found hanged in park, friend of Dale
Gareth Morgan, 27, Bridgend, found hanged at home, knew Liam

I refuse to believe that in such a small area as bridgend, life is so bad that you feel the need to end it prematurely.

Indy500 · 24 Jan 2008 at 20:19

Stev said:
Dale Crole, 18, from Porthcawl, went missing Sept 2006, body found Jan 2007
Zachary Barnes, 17, Bridgend, found hanged
Liam Clarke, 20, Bridgend, found hanged in park, friend of Dale
Gareth Morgan, 27, Bridgend, found hanged at home, knew Liam

I refuse to believe that in such a small area as bridgend, life is so bad that you feel the need to end it prematurely.

But all we know is their name\age and location, method of suicide and possible friend connections. No indication of their life, medical history or anything like that. Suicide is high nationally, not just in that town.

unwashed potato! · 24 Jan 2008 at 20:24

Stev said:
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i agree in that they have an "easier" life then say people in africa getting rape/aids/starvation etc, but how can you say because they have clean water and food there is nothing to be despressed about? ssurely the people in africa/war zones, have a much more interesting life, they feel alive then say someone in england who bacailly does the same boring routinal tasks, have food/water when they want it.

by going from what you have said in that it coudl be worse, then someone from africa surely should be happy and not depressed as atleast they aren't an ant.

HarryPainful · 24 Jan 2008 at 20:25

Stev said:
**** all else to do I suppose...

sorry to be mean, but if a 17 year old cant survive without her ass bouncing off the wall, whats she going to be like when she gets real responsibility or hell, even a kid? the poor little tyke would have the worst start ever.
Depression as a teenager is attention seeking, you have an entire life to live, and you wanna end it so early? good riddence, you dont deserve the gift youve been given.

my thoughts EXACTLY!!

Emos... thats all.

Stev · 24 Jan 2008 at 20:39

Mammalian said:
i agree in that they have an "easier" life then say people in africa getting rape/aids/starvation etc, but how can you say because they have clean water and food there is nothing to be despressed about? ssurely the people in africa/war zones, have a much more interesting life, they feel alive then say someone in england who bacailly does the same boring routinal tasks, have food/water when they want it.

by going from what you have said in that it coudl be worse, then someone from africa surely should be happy and not depressed as atleast they aren't an ant.

Theres a slight difference in feeling alive, than actually having to FIGHT for survival. I would personally rather have the comfort and security of a boring life, than the adrenaline rush of having to dodge bullets/tigers/small poisonous furry things.

Now dont get me wrong, im not a heartless *******, but the emo culture annoys me, my mother has been in a wheel chair for 12 years, before hand she used to play football with us kids, she is addicted to morhphine and has lost all her teeth because of it, has no lower bowls and has to use a stoma, was recently diagnosed diabetic, so she has to watch what little food she can digest. Ive yet to hear of her wanting to end her life, tell me how a 17 year old can have a life worse than that.

hiroofheroes · 24 Jan 2008 at 20:42

Stev said:
Dale Crole, 18, from Porthcawl, went missing Sept 2006, body found Jan 2007
Zachary Barnes, 17, Bridgend, found hanged
Liam Clarke, 20, Bridgend, found hanged in park, friend of Dale
Gareth Morgan, 27, Bridgend, found hanged at home, knew Liam

I refuse to believe that in such a small area as bridgend, life is so bad that you feel the need to end it prematurely.

Have you ever been to Bridgend?

Anyway, I'm sure you could links between people who live in close geographical proximity, even if the causes of their suicides were disparate, and when you cherry pick a few examples that highlight your point your not looking at the numbers in their true context. Hell, it would be statistically harder to believe if none of them knew each other.

Without wishing to sound harsh, quite frankly if someone chooses to take their own life their not going to get any sympathy from me. I'm all for helping those who are vulnerable, or suffer from depression (real depression, not those who feel a little sad and are therefore 'depressed'), but the fact is that if they were so maladjusted that they couldn't see another solution in a society that has so many layers of protection, then quite frankly they were likely to cause problems down the line.

Vonhelmet · 24 Jan 2008 at 20:48

I told u I was hardcore